soul fire ball has a problem

[stallion90]

this for the gm's!

im sure sfb is bugged guys, i dont think its damage is affected by my sc.

i just had a brief check on the trainer and here are my results,


sc 12-73 for 60 seconds total damage was 1817
sc 12-31 for 60 seconds total damage was 1587

now i only tested breifly but i think this really needs looking at as taos hitting mobs in a fully +3 upgraded kit and doing 15 damage is abit crap if im honest. we hit other players on average of 50 and we got archers one hitting us with 500damage shots i think its abit unfair i vote buff sfb

 

[TheRealSphinx]

Why not post in Bugs Section ?

Before i switched to Archer i noticed something similar ~ Jinchon Palace Mobs + Orcs nearly impossible to hunt solo as Taoist ~ so i guess its a real Support Class not a solo class like other chars.

 

[Samuel]

I just tried this ingame...

11-60 SC, total damage after 60 seconds 1671.
8-40 SC, total damage after 60 seconds 1630.

I will look into this asap.

Sam

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OK there is a bug with the trainer it seems...

If you test it against a normal mob, there is a noticeable difference.

Sam

 

[davey_boyy]

I just tried this ingame...

11-60 SC, total damage after 60 seconds 1671.
8-40 SC, total damage after 60 seconds 1630.

I will look into this asap.

Sam


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OK there is a bug with the trainer it seems...

If you test it against a normal mob, there is a noticeable difference.

Sam

It would be an idea if you could add a bit of AC/AMC to trainer nothing much maybe like 10-25 AC+AMC?? so we can get a bit better idea of what we would hit on actual players?

 

[HarryH]

It would be an idea if you could add a bit of AC/AMC to trainer nothing much maybe like 10-25 AC+AMC?? so we can get a bit better idea of what we would hit on actual players?

Trainer is for working out the raw stats and power of a skill, plus low levels would never hit him if training slaying or fencing. It's easy just to minus an average of 17.5 per hit (for luck 0) in your example.

 

[Doug]

Why not post in Bugs Section ?

Before i switched to Archer i noticed something similar ~ Jinchon Palace Mobs + Orcs nearly impossible to hunt solo as Taoist ~ so i guess its a real Support Class not a solo class like other chars.

you shouldn't be soloing in those 2 caves? With any class

 

[ILovePie:D]

SFB does NOT need a buff lol. It's already the strongest sfb on any server I've played.

I agree that it's stats need looking at, to scale down the lower sc damage, but it certainly does not need a buff.

Hitting 50 with sfb on players, coupled with an OP deva, shinsu, poison, and potentially a new skill coming...

 

[lancelot1]

Can we have Plague then?

 

[stallion90]

Not being funny but I got a sc kit equivalent to tashes dc kit and it takes me 20 mins to solo a wt.sins do 17k damage in 60 secs on trainer. Taos got 10% of sins dps and it's ****. Every player auto pots can outpot my damage plus poison cloud plus red plus shinsu and deva and i don't miss sfbs. In 75 sc I should be sfbin 80-110s

 

[Insinia123]

Not being funny but I got a sc kit equivalent to tashes dc kit and it takes me 20 mins to solo a wt.sins do 17k damage in 60 secs on trainer. Taos got 10% of sins dps and it's ****. Every player auto pots can outpot my damage plus poison cloud plus red plus shinsu and deva and i don't miss sfbs. In 75 sc I should be sfbin 80-110s

Lol you must be doing something wrong as I have been up against a fair few Taos with half your sc and auto def cannot beat poison sfb shinsu and deva

taos are not a damage class they are support they already do far more than most server simply with the master target addition. A Tao is not meant to get last hits it wins a fight by having pots left at the end where as the opponent does not

 

[lancelot1]

Lol you must be doing something wrong as I have been up against a fair few Taos with half your sc and auto def cannot beat poison sfb shinsu and deva

taos are not a damage class they are support they already do far more than most server simply with the master target addition. A Tao is not meant to get last hits it wins a fight by having pots left at the end where as the opponent does not

Except pots don't help if the other classes kill you faster than you can pot+heal.

 

[stallion90]

taos sfb needs a buff period! i hit bosses for 15 in top top sc kit its a joke

 

[ILovePie:D]

You are a support class! More SC for better heals m7

 

[HarryH]

Which bosses are you talking about ? any Amc will affect the group you're with too.

I hit 30 or so on izt and 40-50 on ikh/iwt with 45 SC

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With 45 SC level 1 deva level 2 shinsu iwt solo takes 8 minutes, ikh 12 and izt 20

 

[NewHope]

OK there is a bug with the trainer it seems...

If you test it against a normal mob, there is a noticeable difference.

Sam

I feel like this is the most important information on the thread. If this is the case surely any tests done previously regarding damage and 'balance' using the trainer are null and void. It seems the wizards issues may stem from these tests.

God save the wizzys.

 

[Nizzles]

SFB has always been weak.
with red poison a tao from my guild with nearly 60 sc today was hitting me for 90s.. with deva and shinsu that totally cains me.
taos have never been a damage class. all the taos complaining they take ages to solo bosses. ur a support class fgs... its like me saying my warrior cant ****ing heal or buff my group. jesus christ.

and if youre wanting to hunt solo. dont roll a frigging healer.

the scaling of sc maybe broken yes. but soulfireball certainly doesnt need a buff. and as for outpotting you... good. if you cant outpot a healer because of their damage we would all make healers... which now have pets that cant be avoided which takes what little skill this game has out of the game.

and soon mirroring is gonna have masters target.

taos are more an annoyance class. you poison and run around with pets on ur target. its the way its always been.

and lancelot stfu about plague u boring prick

 

[RandomGKL]

A 43 tao with full sc kit on, ssw titan rings ect was hunting with me in JP yesterday. 1 in 3 of his attacks could hit the mobs, usally for -1 to -10 depending on how lucky he got.

SFB may be strong in PVP but its very weak in PVE.

 

[HarryH]

With 45 SC, red poison I hit roughly 70 on BDD mobs when levelling, 60 on IWT+PB mobs, 50 on IKH/IZT tops.

Never hunted in JP or orcs, but they probably just have really high MAC, which would scale down the other classes hits too.

We are a support class and I see no problem with our damage, we should always hunt with atleast one other person, and if you are soloing just do it somewhere with very low defence like BDD/PSC.

 

[Koriban]

Tao's honestly do not need buffing. They're in a fantastic state right now, if not too strong.

 

[Insinia123]

Tao's honestly do not need buffing. They're in a fantastic state right now, if not too strong.

+1 this