TDB Toggle

[MonoxideLenny]

Can you please make TDB a toggle on/off its kinda a common thing on servers now and tbh any server with sins warrior should have toggle tdb.... its ridicules a sin can just hold shift and pew pew damage.

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[MonoxideLenny]

Bump

 

[Pusha]

I still don't get why people want a TDB toggle :/ it's really more of an inconvenience having it on toggle imo

 

[MonoxideLenny]

Please explain to me how it's an inconvenience I genuinely want to know, because tbh not having to hold down a key or spam it 24/7 to do damage sounds like a qol to me.

If the server didn't have sins, tbh I wouldn't be bothered but the fact a sin can legit hold shift and it auto cast s all of there damage DS Fatal Hemo is mad when a warrior can't just hold shift to TDB.

 

[Sanjian]

i got alot of stick for adding a cooldown to TDB (which ive still kept becuase its needed imo)

hemo and fatalsword are passive procs like slaying, i dont get why TDB should be cast on every attack, its an empowered auto attack not a toggle skill, just my 2 pence and to cause some controversy

 

[Pez]

If you really wanted it as a toggle. You could do it yourself with a simply toggle macro. If you own a gaming mouse like a corsair etc its so much more simpler.

 

[mistodon]

But any server where a warrior has toggle tdb is always king. It just makes warriors top dogs, should never be constant max speed hits with auto tdb.

 

[Pusha]

i got alot of stick for adding a cooldown to TDB (which ive still kept becuase its needed imo)

hemo and fatalsword are passive procs like slaying, i dont get why TDB should be cast on every attack, its an empowered auto attack not a toggle skill, just my 2 pence and to cause some controversy

How long is the cool down :'(

 

[Sanjian]

How long is the cool down :'(

its spell level based, at max lvl tdb its like euros cd.
lvl 0 i think is 4 secs

 

[Pusha]

its spell level based, at max lvl tdb its like euros cd.
lvl 0 i think is 4 secs

Ahhh ok, I'm sure people can live with that! haha

 

[LightBringer]

People tend to macro TDB with other skills in a cycle, usually.

However I wouldn't ever set it up as a server owner to Toggle, if you have max attack speed with TDB all the time, you would just melt everything in your path, having to spam the key at least adds an inherent reflex cooldown

 

[Piff1]

I'm still not sure why only TDB/Single hits are proccing Slow/PA on here too, it's much more Viable to stack a Slow/PA kit if it procs on CHM / BA etc... Wizz and Tao can use life skill i thought Melee's skill would proc their slow/pa.

 

[Sanjian]

I'm still not sure why only TDB/Single hits are proccing Slow/PA on here too, it's much more Viable to stack a Slow/PA kit if it procs on CHM / BA etc... Wizz and Tao can use life skill i thought Melee's skill would proc their slow/pa.

i dont know the files for apoc but pa/slow should proc on CHM, HM, BA and thrusting.

if its not supposed to i would assume the servers ownes have altered it

 

[mir2pion]

People tend to macro TDB with other skills in a cycle, usually.

However I wouldn't ever set it up as a server owner to Toggle, if you have max attack speed with TDB all the time, you would just melt everything in your path, having to spam the key at least adds an inherent reflex cooldown

Nobody said it (yet) but isn't this request primarily with PvP mode of fighting in mind?

 

[LightBringer]

Nobody said it (yet) but isn't this request primarily with PvP mode of fighting in mind?

I would assume so, but again, it should be a skill you need to time, not just flail around like a lunatic

 

[Pusha]

I would assume so, but again, it should be a skill you need to time, not just flail around like a lunatic

Exactly.

E.G, I always charge my TDB to cut through shield and have FS charged to come out after it, it's ridiculous that people are moaning about having it on toggle as you can press it once and wait as long as you want to use it, it's not like it needs charging every 8-10 seconds like FS if you don't use it.

 

[mistodon]

I would assume so, but again, it should be a skill you need to time, not just flail around like a lunatic

It just makes a war OP in pve and a god in PVP. Its best damage spell on tap holding shift, add on max speed and its ridiculous.

 

[mir2pion]

I would assume so, but again, it should be a skill you need to time, not just flail around like a lunatic

I never thought about TDB as skill with a CD time or that it is somehow improper to use it continuously (which is why I wouldn't call it spamming because that indicates using it in a manner it wasn't intended to be used).

I suppose CD time is set so short on most servers so that it feels like there is none, also it might appear to me there is no CD because I am not one of those folks who study the skill mechanics too closely, on trainer say and with a critical eye. But that is not to say I don't notice when it is pants on some servers.

I might be the only warrior still inserting FS into TDB or at least I still have good will to give FS a chance but TBH it is not worth it except in cases when TDB had been made so poor that it makes FS worth using. Like this server that advertises 1.8s TDB CD, don't need to name it.

When it comes to early soloing ET or WT or KS (especially WT and KS since ETs are weak on today's servers), TDB is absolutely essential and you must be fricking outa yer mind to tell me to 'time it' when I am in for a rough ride and barely hold onto my dear life, I mean HP LOL.

What do you expect me to do in between 'timed clicks' on TDB key? FS has too long cooldown to fill in, do you really expect me to do normal bashing swings that are totally ineffective in between clicking on TDB button every (say) two seconds?? Again, you musta be fricking outa yer mind, just goes to show warrior is not the class you have practical knowledge of.

What next? Tell me I shouldn't spam HM, CHM by holding Shift and mouse key down instead of clicking on mobs one by one?

That said, I am not for making TDB a toggle skill. Mind you, I rarely engage in PvP and rarely I am top dog on servers with stellar stats.

 

[LightBringer]

I never thought about TDB as skill with a CD time or that it is somehow improper to use it continuously (which is why I wouldn't call it spamming because that indicates using it in a manner it wasn't intended to be used).

I suppose CD time is set so short on most servers so that it feels like there is none, also it might appear to me there is no CD because I am not one of those folks who study the skill mechanics too closely, on trainer say and with a critical eye. But that is not to say I don't notice when it is pants on some servers.

I might be the only warrior still inserting FS into TDB or at least I still have good will to give FS a chance but TBH it is not worth it except in cases when TDB had been made so poor that it makes FS worth using. Like this server that advertises 1.8s TDB CD, don't need to name it.

When it comes to early soloing ET or WT or KS (especially WT and KS since ETs are weak on today's servers), TDB is absolutely essential and you must be fricking outa yer mind to tell me to 'time it' when I am in for a rough ride and barely hold onto my dear life, I mean HP LOL.

What do you expect me to do in between 'timed clicks' on TDB key? FS has too long cooldown to fill in, do you really expect me to do normal bashing swings that are totally ineffective in between clicking on TDB button every (say) two seconds?? Again, you musta be fricking outa yer mind, just goes to show warrior is not the class you have practical knowledge of.

What next? Tell me I shouldn't spam HM, CHM by holding Shift and mouse key down instead of clicking on mobs one by one?

That said, I am not for making TDB a toggle skill. Mind you, I rarely engage in PvP and rarely I am top dog on servers with stellar stats.

I have no idea what your rant was about at all, from my comment?
I literally said it shouldn't be on toggle as it takes the skill out of it in PvP on landing TDBs (similar way to landing an FS)

And also, I dont have practical knowledge?
You clearly aren't a good warrior, as server after server 'late game', warriors dont need TDB toggle to floor most people.

 

[mir2pion]

I am surprised to get such a harsh response to my light heartedly framed post. I guess no fun with you, sorry I misjudged you.

I said I don't PvP, also since I mostly play solo so 'late game' in my case is like 'mid game' for those who pump guild benefits to max or are no lifers. Servers go offline before I get chance to have stats of the 'late game' gradient.

This tuning warriors for PvP like putting cd times on TDB would be fine if that didn't carry over into PvE. TDB toggle would be more a hindrance for PvE than any plus, so I'd vote NO in agreement with you.

I have no idea if these two play modes can be separated, like TDB cd being different for PvE from what it is for PvP. For some folks, PvP is of overarching importance and classes are tuned going by that and PvE not being as important is left to suffer.