The last four months of my life...

[HolyCow]

I cant be bothered to argue with you stupid geeks anymore. Do the world a favour and kill yourself, I'm serious.

You seem to be getting more and more aggressive with each reply. Are the comments made by the "stupid geeks" hitting a bit too close to home? You know full well that the majority of people who have participated in this thread have valid arguments whether they are for or against drugs. You seem to embrace only the 'for' arguments and reject the 'against' arguments. Is that because you need to reassure yourself of what you're doing or just because you're plain ignorant?

People who say that drugs are bad without trying them are not being blinded by government propaganda as you seem to suggest, they're forming an opinion on things they've seen and heard. Yes, it is possible form a valid opinion on things that you've not experienced. Have you ever been around someone on PCP? I have and I'm not afraid to admit that I was scared to death at the time. I didn't need to take the drug to know that the effects it was having were bad and that I didn't want to experience it. It's the same with any drug. There are facts about the effects of drugs that you cannot deny. People who don't want to experience these things wont take the drug. To them it's not worth the risk. Who the **** are you to then say that they can't hold the opinion that they have without first trying the drug. You may not give a **** about your life or the people who care about you but there are millions of other people in the world who do.

Before any of you start running your mouth about having more chance of dying from getting hit by a car whilst crossing the road, think about how many people cross roads each day, compare that to the amount of people who take drugs every day. Think you'll find a significant difference. True, there are possibilities of death in every day life but these are unavoidable, drugs aren't.

You hope we kill ourselves? We hope you overdose.

 

[ACiD TRiP]

You seem to be getting more and more aggressive with each reply. Are the comments made by the "stupid geeks" hitting a bit too close to home? You know full well that the majority of people who have participated in this thread have valid arguments whether they are for or against drugs. You seem to embrace only the 'for' arguments and reject the 'against' arguments. Is that because you need to reassure yourself of what you're doing or just because you're plain ignorant?

People who say that drugs are bad without trying them are not being blinded by government propaganda as you seem to suggest, they're forming an opinion on things they've seen and heard. Yes, it is possible form a valid opinion on things that you've not experienced. Have you ever been around someone on PCP? I have and I'm not afraid to admit that I was scared to death at the time. I didn't need to take the drug to know that the effects it was having were bad and that I didn't want to experience it. It's the same with any drug. There are facts about the effects of drugs that you cannot deny. People who don't want to experience these things wont take the drug. To them it's not worth the risk. Who the **** are you to then say that they can't hold the opinion that they have without first trying the drug. You may not give a **** about your life or the people who care about you but there are millions of other people in the world who do.

Before any of you start running your mouth about having more chance of dying from getting hit by a car whilst crossing the road, think about how many people cross roads each day, compare that to the amount of people who take drugs every day. Think you'll find a significant difference. True, there are possibilities of death in every day life but these are unavoidable, drugs aren't.

You hope we kill ourselves? We hope you overdose.

I must admit I did get a bit pissed off, simply because of the sheer ignorance of 99% of the users who have posted on this topic. This is an endless debate and there are no wrong or right outcomes, just people's opinions. It's safe to say that people who dont use drugs will never understand the user's mind and why we use drugs. But if most of you guys opened your minds I bet you'd be usin' just like me. However, this isn't gonna happen and **** it, if the druggies and stoners are happy with their lives and the "normal" people are aswell who gives a ****, lets just be happy with our lives and not criticize eachother for the choices we make in our lives, because it's our lives after all so do whatever the **** you wanna do with it.

Peace

 

[ACiD TRiP]

Oh and fyi, those statistics were based on the same ratio of people, so your third paragraph is kinda flawed.

 

[urbanfox]

Government propaganda? That's what you attribute the thousands of studys by respected medical institutions and doctors who in a nutshell say drugs are bad?

LOL, most of the non biased studies have shown otherwise actually, fool. I cant be bothered to argue with you stupid geeks anymore. Do the world a favour and kill yourself, I'm serious.

What studies? You got proof? Show me a respected group of doctors that have done a study and support drugs being administered for recreational use..

LSD in the U.S was at one stage being used to help alcoholics. A carefully led trip ended with a 45% chance of them never using alcohol again, this is the equivelent to something like 5 years of therapy... However i do understand that this does not make recreational use right, but it certainly does disprove 'Drugs are bad'...

I respond with this:

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/hoffer.htm [/url] ] Psychedelic therapy refers to a form of psychotherapy in which hallucinogenic drugs are used in a particular way to facilitate the final goal, which for alcoholics is sobriety. The drugs may be mescaline, LSD, psilocybin, and many others, as well as combinations. It is therefore trivial to test the effect of LSD or other hallucinogens on alcoholics in such a way that there is no psychedelic reaction. In fact, these trivial experiences have led to trivial data, as reported by Smart et al. (1966), who claimed that a group of ten alcoholics given LSD did not differ in outcome from a group of ten given another psychoactive drug. Close examination of their report shows that no therapy was given, nor was there any encouragement of discussion of problems. The experience was not psychedelic, but was more in the nature of an inquisition, with the subject strapped to the bed, pretreated with dilantin, and ill from 800 mcg of LSD. Since no investigator has ever claimed that LSD used in this way does have any therapeutic effect, this experiment suggests that LSD used with no therapeutic intent or skill is not apt to help. One of the subjects given LSD by Smart et al. described his experience in comparison with a psychedelic reaction he received from smaller quantities of LSD in Saskatchewan. The experiences and the outcome were quite different.

 

[Wittin]

Heroin is harmless


At a hearing to determine the future of heroin on April 3rd 1924, a congressional committee heard evidence from many expert witnesses.

The US surgeon general of the time, Rupert Blue, declared heroin "poisonous" and said it caused insanity. Dana Hubbard of the New York City health department concluded: "Heroin addicts spring from sin and crime…Society in general must protect itself from the influence of evil, and there is no greater peril than heroin"

Unsurprisingly, the US banned heroin on the spot. Shortly afterwards they embarked on a worldwide campaign to eradicate this evil. Thus began the "War On Drugs".

Problem was, nothing said at the hearing was true.

the truth
"Virtually ever 'fact' testified to under oath by the medical and criminological experts in 1924…was unsupported by any sound evidence," says Professor Arnold Trebach, specialist in illegal drugs.

"We cannot find any medical research from any source which will support the international governmental contention that heroin harms the body or the mind of its users," concluded a recent Guardian \ Channel 4 investigation into heroin. "Nor can we find any trace of our government or the American government or any other ever presenting or referring to any credible version of any such research. On the contrary, all of the available research agrees that, so far as harm is concerned, heroin is likely to cause some nausea and possibly severe constipation and that is all."

Heroin generally does not cause malnutrition, moral-collapse, or sickness. Death by overdose is possible but not that common, thanks to the wide safety margin between a therapeutic and a lethal dose.

One thing causes heroin related illnesses, crime and death: the black market

the black market
Heroin only becomes dangerous when it is made illegal. "There is no drug known to man which becomes safer when its production and distribution are handed over to criminals" says Professor Norman Zinberg who led a study into drug addiction at Harvard Medical School.

Criminals dilute the purity of heroin, cutting it with baby milk powder, starch, curry powder. Adulterants injected into the veins of users cause sores, septicaemia, blood clots, and gangrene. Dirty needles add collapsed arteries, hepatitis C, and HIV to the mix. Overdose is a real threat to street users who deal with fluctuating heroin quality, varying wildly between 20% and 90% pure. Black market prices force addicts to steal or go without food to pay for their habit.

"For those who are addicted, prohibition inflicts danger and death. Needlessly. Water would become dangerous if it were banned and handed over to a criminal black market."

Governments manufacture myths to support their actions. The first casualty of war is the truth. The War On Drugs, by prohibiting, penalising, and withholding information about drugs, is creating the very problems it is attempting to stamp out.
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Frankly I find it hard to believe, but it's not the first time such points have been raised... I would never use the drug myself, but I'm just taking the extreme... And showing you ther are 2 sides to the arguement, even for the hardest drugs.

 

[urbanfox]

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Frankly I find it hard to believe, but it's not the first time such points have been raised... I would never use the drug myself, but I'm just taking the extreme... And showing you ther are 2 sides to the arguement, even for the hardest drugs.

WAIT, NO. You can't argue against my article with an article from 1924.


I think concrete conclusive evidence from the scientific and medical field has sided with me.

 

[FUTURA]

You seem to be getting more and more aggressive with each reply. Are the comments made by the "stupid geeks" hitting a bit too close to home? You know full well that the majority of people who have participated in this thread have valid arguments whether they are for or against drugs. You seem to embrace only the 'for' arguments and reject the 'against' arguments. Is that because you need to reassure yourself of what you're doing or just because you're plain ignorant?

People who say that drugs are bad without trying them are not being blinded by government propaganda as you seem to suggest, they're forming an opinion on things they've seen and heard. Yes, it is possible form a valid opinion on things that you've not experienced. Have you ever been around someone on PCP? I have and I'm not afraid to admit that I was scared to death at the time. I didn't need to take the drug to know that the effects it was having were bad and that I didn't want to experience it. It's the same with any drug. There are facts about the effects of drugs that you cannot deny. People who don't want to experience these things wont take the drug. To them it's not worth the risk. Who the **** are you to then say that they can't hold the opinion that they have without first trying the drug. You may not give a **** about your life or the people who care about you but there are millions of other people in the world who do.

Before any of you start running your mouth about having more chance of dying from getting hit by a car whilst crossing the road, think about how many people cross roads each day, compare that to the amount of people who take drugs every day. Think you'll find a significant difference. True, there are possibilities of death in every day life but these are unavoidable, drugs aren't.

You hope we kill ourselves? We hope you overdose.

WORD! :bunny:

 

[kud125]

dude when did you have that photo taken, coz on the photo list you look about 11, and im sure an 11 year old wudnt do all those drugs, so either that pic was taken a long time ago, or something is not right imo. dnt mess wiv kud the private eye

 

[kud125]

and holycow, what you said, i salute you very well done, and how can you say heroine is harmless, if i went and took loads of heroine now like huge amounts, im sure i wud pretty much overdose and ppl have done that, so when a person dies from a heroin overdose, your just saying tis government propoganda and these ppl just happened to have died, after they took heorine, plus seen pics of dead girl wiv a needle which had heroin in it still in her harm, so i say a big **** you to any1 who thinks heroin is harmless imo

 

[anto]

there are possibilities of death in every day life but these are unavoidable, drugs aren't.

What if someone shuvs drugs down you're throat? =/

 

[Wittin]

and holycow, what you said, i salute you very well done, and how can you say heroine is harmless, if i went and took loads of heroine now like huge amounts, im sure i wud pretty much overdose and ppl have done that, so when a person dies from a heroin overdose, your just saying tis government propoganda and these ppl just happened to have died, after they took heorine, plus seen pics of dead girl wiv a needle which had heroin in it still in her harm, so i say a big **** you to any1 who thinks heroin is harmless imo

Obviously you didnt read the entire article... fool.

You say I look 11?! You sound alot younger than me... son.

 

[kud125]

there are possibilities of death in every day life but these are unavoidable

this is the only flaw, in your post holy, you can avoid, getting killed in some circumstances
a)being sensible by a road
b) Following your green cross code, remember those when you were kids
c)not being drunk on streets etc.
d) keep in group of friends
e)stay in safe, well lit areas
f) dnt be a dumbass around life threatening equipment/objects

in other words common sense can save your life a lot of times, that wos the only flaw in your argument, flame me any1 if you want i believe what i jsut said is true

 

[urbanfox]

The dangers of everyday life have absolutely nothing to do with whether drugs initofthemselves are bad and dangerous, that's the flaw in your judgement.

What if someone shuvs drugs down you're throat? =/

Then you hire a bodyguard like me who get's paid in mcdonalds.

 

[HolyCow]

in other words common sense can save your life a lot of times, that wos the only flaw in your argument

Yes, I know, but that doesn't mean you're not in danger, you have just reduced the risk. The things you listed are precautions that one can choose to take. There are precautions that you can take with drugs aswel, drinking plenty of water when you're on Ecstacy being the most commonly known one. The difference between the two risks is that one, drugs, can be eliminated completely by not taking them. The only way to eliminate the risks involved in every-day living is to not live.

 

[anto]

The only way to eliminate the risks involved in every-day living is to not live.

Or to become immortal :O.

 

[kud125]

You say I look 11?! You sound alot younger than me... son.

1) im not your son
2) take another look at your pic, anyone else think he looks about 11?

 

[anto]

2) take another look at your pic, anyone else think he looks about 11?

No.