Thoughts On Silence and Para Refinement

[Vyse]

So I did some testing of the current refinement system for the server to see how balanced it was. The testing I did was 1v1 with a maxed out weapon with 30% para chance and 15% Silence chance which lasts for 3 seconds. For anyone who doesn't know what Silence does basically it locks you from casting spells but not from moving. After testing I confirmed my thoughts on it that it was pretty broken Mir Private servers have been about for over 15 years and never have has a castor been able to do these effects for what I thought was obvious reasons.

So I decided to make a poll and get the input of the community regardless of if you play on the server anymore.


An additional things to take into account:

Purification Potion which cures these effects but has a 1 second cool-down.

They work with on wizard and Taoists ranged spells not just melee.

A Wizard can double there proc rate by dropping tempest under the target.

Taoists poison does not trigger these effects

I think a Taoists pets do not trigger these effects when attacking also.

Some spells are unusable on most maps Beckon, Interchange, Dance Of Swallows, Geo Manipulation.


I will say I have only tested this 1v1 with 1 player having it maxed out but I tried to express my worry's towards it to the Shane/banshee and he seems unconcerned with it even after I explained that if multiple castors each have a weapon maxed in both e,g 3 wizards they will be able to keep a group stun locked the entire fight.

After talking to a number of players in the server both in guild and outside from the top 50 the majority of them have agreed that it was a silly thing to add to the game and that it will break it beyond repair if left in.

IMO There are already enough pvp/pk balance issues to deal with adding something like this into the mix is over the top. I try to express an unbiased opinion and play every class and gather feedback from others players but I am just one person I need others to jump in and be unbiased and honest about this.

Which is why I am making this poll I would prefer only people who play the server or played it vote and post comments but if overs wish to comment on oh well. Hoping it draws enough votes for the GM and his team to take a proper look at it.

 

[Lelouch]

In my opinion I don’t think it’ll make much of a difference.
Let’s do the maths. A crystal cost:

18m x 50 crystals = 750m
4.3m x 100 = 430m

Total: 1.180b

And this is only for one para

But if people do have big concerns it should be limited to 10% para/silence.

Right now life steal is only aimed for meles, having them being able to silence/para users won’t be fair on Taoist/wizards.

 

[Vyse]

Yes it's about 1b per a % But making gold to buy the materials is easy. I can make 2.5b a day 4b at a push if I wanted and yes I know that's still going to take time to refine but it's appearing more and more each day and before it becomes an issue it should be sorted out.

As for lifesteal why would ranged need it when on my level77 wizard I go onto the wall solo and other than when the door is rammed I can solo there and that's currently the hardest map in-game where as assassins and warrior still cannot solo there with maybe the exception of Misscrowley.


Silence/Para should be kept how it was, Out of the game other than the special rings and if anyone should get access it should be melee, castors have the advantage of range and spells that would counter castors disabled on most maps.


Anyway thanks for the feedback and Before you ask where I can make that sort of money selling materials.

 

[Lelouch]

I would be extremely surprised to see you getting 2.5b per day let alone 4b.

I think the para is a good element to the game because majority of the map you cannot beckon/geo/dance so someone could easily escape from you, but with new refined people’s you have the ability to slow them down and potentially kill them.

Overall I think their a good system as of now, maybe reduce their % to 10-15? That’ll hardly make much of a difference especially when you can use purif pot

 

[looby1971]

Ive never known of wizzys to have para tbh i remember another server giving wizzys defiance and it destroyed the server hope this isnt going same way plz re check the balance of para / silence and the others bits. Para is a war thing not wizz jamie will u plz take a look so many ppl are saying this is wrong only ppl think it ok is the wizz ty

 

[Vyse]

I could say how I can make that a day but if I did then it would become a lot more difficult to do so all I will say is that I can make that level of money easy a day. I've only played about 4 hours today and made over 400m

 

[Derge]

It’s not difficult to generate the gold, if you’re prepared to put in the hours. You can make 100m+ an hour in certain dungeons.

I can’t see that you can make 4b a day, but sure - you could earn enough to do at least one refinement per day. Especially if you’re circling around dungeons that will also drop crystals for you.

 

[<SOSO>]

Gotta make room for Marble V2 ppl, quit making threads like this.

 

[Drakay]

I do agree para/silence on ranged is a bit over powered, sure you can puri pot it but by the time you’ve realised you’re silenced/para then u hit your puri pot which starts a potion cool down = not potting HP, by this time you are going have taken a lot of damage and if not dead then you’re gonna be close to it.

If it isn’t gonna be changed though you know what they say if you can’t beat em join em

 

[Vyse]

If it isn’t gonna be changed though you know what they say if you can’t beat em join em

Already made a wizard but as people are quitting daily or swapping to a caster class how long is it going to be until the only people who play melee are those who either.

A: don't like playing casters.

Or

B: Don't pvp/pk just rt/tt away from conflict because they know there as useful as using a wet sponge trying to dry something.


Why should the state of the server even b allowed to get to that point before they do something about it. hell Empowered purification has been on there too do list for ever. But unlike beckon, interchange, Dos, Geo manipulate which are disabled on maps they can't even do that to the spell in the meantime well they fix it.

The argument for Beckon not working is that it's recast timer is 5 seconds so you can recast it again dealing 3k damage every 5 seconds. Which I agree is a little op but castors hit just as hard now and if it's the recast that's the problem then change that job done. There are castors on this server that can hit 3k every 2 seconds let alone 5.

 

[desuplan]

They need looking at for sure
As for becon
1, war needs to be higher atm
2, war needs to hit with the cast
3, target needs to not puri pot and dodge hit
4, the bs or whatever attack need to no get miss

It’s not guaranteed damage maybe bring it’s cool down in line with dance?

Remove emp puri or have it only work on friendly targets. Or interesting thought make it it’s own spell with its own cool down maybe Removing ground spells or have it make a anti magic zone negating all magic in its area including friendly having area base x by x squares with the Tao being at the centre, would remove ground affect friendly and foe buffs and debuffs just spitballing so take a pinch of salt with it

I think dance and geo can be enabled, there’s no reason to worry about the occasional silance from a dance when it apparently ok for it to be a refined stat and same for wars becon. If we’re forces to carry a million puri pots we damn well able to press the button to anti cc ourselves on those skills

Enable tempest pushback to account for the enabling of becon dance geo

Remove refined para and silance from special refine option it will naturally exit the game with new content and gear.

Look at making all skill have success rates of puri, becon combat kick grip interchange, the lot. Possibly let the wiz spell that can stun mobs have chance to work in PvP

I think instead of a matter of flat nerfs or blind disabling of skills a more tactile approach of give and take would be a better option to achieve balance

Firstly looking at a skill and reviewing how it can be dealt with by each class

Grip - can still use geo/interchange Tao could combat kick, temp yourself,
Dance - puri pot, temp would push
Becon - puri pot

Ect ect

I honestly think many of the imbalances do infact come from knock on affects of disabled skills. I’m not saying that having everything enabled would magically fix balance but it would be a start. By choosing to fix the issue at the source instead of convering up the visible
Signs of the issue.

If a water pipe leaks do you but s bucket under it and repeatedly empty and replace the bucket or do you fix the leak? Sure the bucket is the quicker option at first but after replacing the bucket so many times it would of indeed actually took less time and effort to get a spanner, tighten that nut and fix the leak.

My 2 cents

 

[Notwhatyouthink]

just get used to it, pointless to complain and moan because if jamie didnt want it ingame, he wouldnt of added it in the first place lol.

if you dont like it, do everyone a favor and stop playing - the sooner zircon gets a sub par usercount, the sooner the community gets a shiny new server to play (marble v2 or whatever its being labelled as)

 

[Vyse]

just get used to it, pointless to complain and moan because if jamie didnt want it ingame, he wouldnt of added it in the first place lol.

if you dont like it, do everyone a favor and stop playing - the sooner zircon gets a sub par usercount, the sooner the community gets a shiny new server to play (marble v2 or whatever its being labelled as)

Poll speaks for it's self there are more people who dislike it than like it. and unlike you who obviously wants a new server because your bored there are players who want the server to improve and continue long into the future.

Just because the majority of players are too quite to speak up and point out issues doesn't mean I am.

 

[Exwizz]

Poll means **** all.... just look back to a Poll before the server was live.. for PK drops to be a part of the server had over 70 votes... to remove PK drops from the server had 40 something roughly... and a further more 14 who wanted to have this greed pot option in to be able to allow/disable drops.

had a lot more votes than this and it was ALOT more important, the server lost a lot of players with the lack of PK drops and missed out on a bigger launch day due to it... then they noticed further down the line they ****ed up and added them.. too little too late for most people.

don't get hung up over a Poll/Thread they don't mean anything.

 

[Notwhatyouthink]

Poll speaks for it's self there are more people who dislike it than like it. and unlike you who obviously wants a new server because your bored there are players who want the server to improve and continue long into the future.

Just because the majority of players are too quite to speak up and point out issues doesn't mean I am.

Nothing to do with being bored, just seems like a deja-vu type moment

 

[Vyse]

Notwhatyouthink looks like you got your wish decided to stop trying to get Jamie and Shane to fix's the many issues they created with every expansion after Lostlands and just wait for something better to show up.

Anyway good luck with server your gonna need it. Guess I'll go play hearthstone :smug:

 

[Koriban]

Take care and may your Top Deck's be plentiful.

 

[Drakay]

Notwhatyouthink looks like you got your wish decided to stop trying to get Jamie and Shane to fix's the many issues they created with every expansion after Lostlands and just wait for something better to show up.

Anyway good luck with server your gonna need it. Guess I'll go play hearthstone :smug:

Shame to see somebody who actually cares about the servers gameplay/life time leaving, after all all you were trying to do is improve/help balance the gameplay for everyone. Let’s hope your notes don’t get forgotten about and see you again after a few changes or on another server

 

[Notwhatyouthink]

Jamie too busy spending all the money the community has given him over the last 2 years on his trip to Japan to really give a **** about this server, onwards to the next milky milky project.

feels very much like marble did towards the end

all we need now is the increased exp and drop rates across the board

 

[Shane/Banshee]

So far I've been involved in a couple of fights on the wall. Para and silence has not had an effect on my ability to fight and kill wizzys as a sin.

I will continue to get involved.