Whats the rules?

terriblen

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There aren't any.
Don't go afk
Which teleport spots did u mean anyway?
 

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Unsure which spot as ive not been to the town before, but surely luring on people afk is grief play as there in sz?
 

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yea its only a safe zone from pk, mobs can kill you anywhere aslong as they can get to you.
 

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If luring to SZ is perfectly acceptable, then why was blocking stone temple frowned apon? One is forcing you to log out when maybe you want to stay logged in cause of some reason, the other is forcing someone to commit murder and gain PK points. Both are forms of grief, so if one is allowed the other should too.
 

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I disagree that this should be allowed. It certainly shouldn't go unpunished. Any form of grief play deters from the game for 90% of people.

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or go afk in another area? there are plenty of places where you wont get lured on. its been said many many times on both mir2 and mir3 by gms that the so called 'safe zone' is purely safety against murder. If I recall correctly the mir3 euro staff even went as far to say that there is no such thing as a 'safe zone'!!
 

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If luring to SZ is perfectly acceptable, then why was blocking stone temple frowned apon? One is forcing you to log out when maybe you want to stay logged in cause of some reason, the other is forcing someone to commit murder and gain PK points. Both are forms of grief, so if one is allowed the other should too.
Have you listened to yourself?
One is "forcing you to log out" when you are not playing the game anyway. The other is preventing you from hunting and playing the game instead of standing about in sz.
 

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Have you listened to yourself?
One is "forcing you to log out" when you are not playing the game anyway. The other is preventing you from hunting and playing the game instead of standing about in sz.

Just stating both are grief play, even if the reason is stupid, if one grief play is not acceptable then the other shouldn't either.
 

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Unsure which spot as ive not been to the town before, but surely luring on people afk is grief play as there in sz?
You dont know where you were and you trustingly went afk. How do you know someone lured on you? In some places mobs spawn inside the town.
Yeah luring on ppl in sz is sad but it goes on. Just dont go afk if you can log. If you cant log then dont be long and go in a shop if you can or spend some gold and go afk somewhere you cant be lured on easily.

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Just stating both are grief play, even if the reason is stupid, if one grief play is not acceptable then the other shouldn't either.
They are not the same at all. That's what I meant. One instance is someone not playing the other is someone being stopped from playing in their chosen map.
How do you suggest you can stop ppl luring on sz? Would take up a huge amount of team time. There's a simple answer echoing down the 12 years of mir - dont go afk.
The door blockers were probably much easier to identify than a lurer. If the ent to that cave was blocked the player could always go somewhere else to hunt.
 
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Jicaa

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But door blocking isn't stopping you from playing, you can kill the blocker, go somewhere else, or you can wait for someone else to pk them. Causing someone to go red by grief has always been in Mir, there has been plenty of times I have run into a wizard firewall repeatedly after they killed me for a boss, yes it's a dick move, but they shouldn't of put down that firewall in a place I can get to easily ;)

Stop all grief play, or allow all grief play imo.

As for stopping luring to safe zone, it would take no time at all, remove the mission mobs from outside the dungeons. A nice feature people are abusing to kill afk safe zone people, but as BH has said, they might have to remove it to stop griefing by lures.
 

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Seems fair? How?
Explain how stopping many players from hunting by blocking a doorway is like one being player lured on. They are not the same.
I already said, one stops people from playing . Just to be really clear I am talkin about blocking doors.
Going afk is not playing.
That's the big difference between the two situations. One is about stopping people from playing the other is about people who have already stopped actively playing.
Sounds like nit picking to me but please go risk a ban for grief if u want
 
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Jicaa

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Seems fair? How?
Explain how stopping many players from hunting by blocking a doorway is like one being player lured on. They are not the same.
I already said, one stops people from playing . Just to be really clear I am talkin about blocking doors.
Going afk is not playing.
That's the big difference between the two situations. One is about stopping people from playing the other is about people who have already stopped actively playing.
Sounds like nit picking to me but please go risk a ban for grief if u want

As I said it isn't stopping you from playing, there is more than 1 place to level in this game. I am just making stupid points based on why people think luring to safe zone is completely acceptable, it is also grief play no matter how you look at it.
 

terriblen

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I am just making stupid points.

You are right. People can go hunt somewhere else.
Luring on people is something that has happened in mir for 12 years. and the answer is simple don't go afk. If you must go afk go to a place where youcant be lured on easily.
The big difference though is that its easy to spot who was blocking a door.
It isn't always easy to spot who was luring unless you aren't afk so how are you going to decide who to ban and for how long and wheres the proof?
Nit picking over something that's been talked to death on other mirs. Its hard to stop the luring easy stop the door blocking.
 

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You are right. People can go hunt somewhere else.
Luring on people is something that has happened in mir for 12 years. and the answer is simple don't go afk. If you must go afk go to a place where youcant be lured on easily.
The big difference though is that its easy to spot who was blocking a door.
It isn't always easy to spot who was luring unless you aren't afk so how are you going to decide who to ban and for how long and wheres the proof?
Nit picking over something that's been talked to death on other mirs. Its hard to stop the luring easy stop the door blocking.

Yes luring has been in the game for 12 years, so has griefing too make people go red(door blocking, running into attacks on a low level etc). Your points are valid about it being easier to ban someone door blocking than luring, the problem is tho even with screenies of someone luring onto safe zone, the GMs don't do anything. And yes a screeny of someone with a group of monsters following them to SZ is pretty good proof of who was luring.