Wizzard bugs

[Muh]

Jesus these forums? Kass, read again do you see me 'slating' your class?

First of all, you are not 52 so you cannot comment on this yet.
Second of all you have mentioned warriors, ofc a 50-52 warrior can survive this.

See the post. I mentioned Sins/Archers/Taos.

Respond to this or do not respond at all.

Are you 52? Are the people who drop in 1 hit 52?(logic) You deserve to die 8 levels below..to a maxed out wizard, when all your group are at the same level as who you are pking, come back and comment? I don't need 52 to say this its a basic fact.
A higher level will rape you..
Enjoy spamming f5 with a long winded reply.

 

[Wond]

Are you 52? Are the people who drop in 1 hit 52?(logic) You deserve to die 8 levels below..to a maxed out wizard, when all your group are at the same level as who you are pking, come back and comment? I don't need 52 to say this its a basic fact.
A higher level will rape you..
Enjoy spamming f5 with a long winded reply.

lo muh

 

[Muh]

lo muh

Wtf ? Since when????

 

[Xx69xX]

Are you 52? Are the people who drop in 1 hit 52?(logic) You deserve to die 8 levels below..to a maxed out wizard, when all your group are at the same level as who you are pking, come back and comment? I don't need 52 to say this its a basic fact.
A higher level will rape you..
Enjoy spamming f5 with a long winded reply.

You know what, you are spot on, any wiz below 52, don't hurt for ****, u do pathetic damage, infact why do you even pop Magic Booster?

Retard comment from me there, just thought id join the crowed,

You really believe the issue only lye within 52 wizzys?

a 48 wizzy vs a 48 sin/archer/tao. The sin/archer/tao just fall over.

My initial comment was just an opinion from what I see in game daily.

Then you got all defensive and Rude simply because you cant handle the fact that wizzys are broken.

Stop saying **** about 52 wizzys, its any wiz with MB+Bliz

Just wait until a decent wiz has MB+Blizz+Met and that will just be dumb. Setheus only manages to look good in MW town when he hides behind the archer and casts a blizzard followed up with a Met. that is pathetic damage, 2 hitting a 51 warrior.

Its just fortunate he it not very good outside of town.

How you can say that is not broken is so interesting.

No 50+ wiz should ever be able to 2 hit a 50+warrior

 

[Razarus]

Jesus these forums? Kass, read again do you see me 'slating' your class?

First of all, you are not 52 so you cannot comment on this yet.
Second of all you have mentioned warriors, ofc a 50-52 warrior can survive this.

See the post. I mentioned Sins/Archers/Taos.

Respond to this or do not respond at all.

As a 48 Sin, I do fear a wizard the second magic booster is cast,
I use ShadowStep to stay away from them, and tele 3 spaces away when they are rooted and drop 1 heavenly sword then run again.
As soon as MagicBooster drops, I'm In for the kill.
As soon as you slow a wiz they are going to drink up suns to survive. Repeat this process every time MB is cast and its a fairly equal fight.
Even being as slow as I am I tend to do fairly well against a MB wiz in open space.
If i'm against a super fast wiz or in a closed space i'm done for instantly.

I think Koriban may be a little hurt as of late because he has joined a guild that need to door block (Its a tactic, that's fine) but offers very little maneuverability,
Easily combated by sending 4 MagicBoosted FF wizzies through the door at the same time and watching everyone die or TT.
Now that he gets beaten by a wiz almost everyday its time to nerf them.


If you look at the ranking table you can see that TKO have 1 wizard above level 48 - Is it any surprise that the serial NERF EVERYTHING THAT DOESNT BENEFIT ME guy is calling for a wiz nerf??

I agree with the credibility comments throughout this thread.

One fair comment throught
Bliz and Met should 100% be on the same cooldown timer. - 1 fair point.

 

[Xx69xX]

As a 48 Sin, I do fear a wizard the second magic booster is cast,
I use ShadowStep to stay away from them, and tele 3 spaces away when they are rooted and drop 1 heavenly sword then run again.
As soon as MagicBooster drops, I'm In for the kill.
As soon as you slow a wiz they are going to drink up suns to survive. Repeat this process every time MB is cast and its a fairly equal fight.
Even being as slow as I am I tend to do fairly well against a MB wiz in open space.
If i'm against a super fast wiz or in a closed space i'm done for instantly.

I think Koriban may be a little hurt as of late because he has joined a guild that need to door block (Its a tactic, that's fine) but offers very little maneuverability,
Easily combated by sending 4 MagicBoosted FF wizzies through the door at the same time and watching everyone die or TT.
Now that he gets beaten by a wiz almost everyday its time to nerf them.


If you look at the ranking table you can see that TKO have 1 wizard above level 48 - Is it any surprise that the serial NERF EVERYTHING THAT DOESNT BENEFIT ME guy is calling for a wiz nerf??

I agree with the credibility comments throughout this thread.

One fair comment throught
Bliz and Met should 100% be on the same cooldown timer. - 1 fair point.

A post from you that is actually readable :P!

I certainly am not flaming wizards because TKO does not have any.

U realise the one 53 wizard we have stands in hell tanking 6 mobs like its 6 rats in zt.. Its a joke. Low rate servers should not be like this. That's the point being made here. Kass's earlier argument is that a 52 wiz gets flopped by 52 warriors. but I kinda disagree. 2 good players and the wiz will beat the warrior every time. That's without having to have the crazy extra damage of MB.

This point will never be agreed on, but I do think it should be looked at.

 

[Razarus]

I certainly am not flaming wizards because TKO does not have any.

This bit wasn't aimed at you bud.

U realise the one 53 wizard we have stands in hell tanking 6 mobs like its 6 rats in zt.. Its a joke. Low rate servers should not be like this. That's the point being made here. Kass's earlier argument is that a 52 wiz gets flopped by 52 warriors. but I kinda disagree. 2 good players and the wiz will beat the warrior every time. That's without having to have the crazy extra damage of MB.

This point will never be agreed on, but I do think it should be looked at.

I think the idea as of what a low rate is, is different to most people.
To me its exactly the same as a high rate just everything is harder/takes longer to achieve. I don't think mentioning that its a low rate has any relevance here just because EW2 + a few have reached that "highrate" level/kit for the current content. That is just my view on what low rate means though.

But yes, wizzies tank things that no other class can whilst the shield is up.
Watching 2 wizzies go head first into 3 sorcs, 2 slashers and a few dinos is mental. the shields seem to last forever and are just simply recast when they drop. It gives them an ability to tank better than the "tank class" it is silly.
Perhaps putting a cooldown or increasing the time it takes to cast (like being rooted for 2 secs) on magic shield would fix that issue. I cant imagine it would be popular as its "always been like this" and would be a big nerf for wizzies soloing things.

Another option would be to make shield less resistant and quite useless in places like orcs/hell then introduce advanced shield (common book). That can handle those areas but does have a cooldown/time-to-cast animation. This way the early wiz are not affected and the late wiz have a choice of flimsy vs advanced. they could also cast the flimsy one between cooldowns on the advanced one but during that time not go head first into lures they really shouldn't be able to go head first into.
All in all it would remove a lot of "fun" from the wiz class though and perhaps not worth it.

I think a wiz should beat a war 1 on 1 every time in open space providing they are of the same speed. A wiz who gets caught and hit is silly. in that scenario you would not use bliz/met as that's asking to be hit.
In a small space, even kitted (remembering that 1 shot of TDB cuts through shield) I think the war wins.
But lets be fair there are so many different achievable ingame speeds that very few fights are on even playing terms. so the results will always be skewed by the slow complaining about the fast.

 

[CrazyBear...]

I have absolutely no input to this thread but just burst out laughing at the first page of replies. I love LOMCN.

 

[rainstone]

I just watch, drink a tea.

 

[Clintus2]

hmmmmmm I die a lot. don't kill a lot.

have reasonable kit

I crap at pvp

must mean I need nerfing.

 

[Paloma]

I just watch, drink a tea.

What sort of tea?

Wiz have always been out of step with rest of game. Sam tried to tone them down and got badly trampled by herds of wiz stampeding in panic.
I hoped by the time they were higher levels there would have been some subtle adjustments but there haven't been any. MB base is too high. MB needs looking at but so does luck an more.

 

[HerbalEssence]

Maybe the issue lye's with peoples gear / skill rather than wizards being incredibly overpowered? Don't see people like HyperViper, Depress nor Alfiee dying to wizards 1v1, not denying the fact that a magic boosted wizard is powerful but surely their should be some reward for leveling? I know my level 47 well kitted wizard can't damage a reasonably kitted sin/tao, however whenever I get magic booster I am sure that will change, with no magic booster the reason to play a wiz would be gone.

 

[TheDayIDie]

Maybe the issue lye's with peoples gear / skill rather than wizards being incredibly overpowered? Don't see people like HyperViper, Depress nor Alfiee dying to wizards 1v1, not denying the fact that a magic boosted wizard is powerful but surely their should be some reward for leveling? I know my level 47 well kitted wizard can't damage a reasonably kitted sin/tao, however whenever I get magic booster I am sure that will change, with no magic booster the reason to play a wiz would be gone.

All those players you named are warriors, of course they won't die so easily, they can still get flopped very quickly by a wizard with magic booster hence why they always move back.

 

[evilwomann]

End of the day, you give zels

x2 dc+2 50 rings
x2 dc+2 51 braces
dc+3 52 necky

and I'm 100% sure he will go round smashing people no matter what class lol

without magic booster up I can still hit 300+ ff and 120ish blizz lol jus from my kit

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Eg: Inoob, he has made me tt twice lately 1v1

do I cry? No cause he has some insane damage due to his lvl n items and large hp pool from being lvl56 lol

 

[Bynx]

Wizz is a glass cannon class, Kori just wants an advantage in every aspect of the game. As posted, you don't see wizz winning 1v1 against other classes with the same lvl, kit and spells to that class lvl. I'm lvl 45 and have around 220-230hp can't remember the exact figure as I'm at work. That's a 1 hit from any class of similar lvl and kit, so somehow I don't think I'm a one man army.

 

[Rollcage]

Blizz/meteor never had/dont have any cooldown on "official sources".
The root you say should be implemented reeks of idiocy, why on earth would u be rooted to the floor after ur spell has been cancel'd?sounds to me like your just after an unmolested window to kill a wiz.

The only reasonable way for a wiz to tank the mobs ppl are saying is if those mobs are slow/cursed, from personal experience i can tell you that slashers can kill me in 2 hits as can tortured souls in hell.

TDB has never had a cooldown, sdash has the same cooldown as on euro, so whoever posted that, im not sure what ur talking about here.

As for people saying that wiz are suprmeley OP, i suggest u play ur class a bit better,
Ask kingtony how to deal with a high lvl wiz on an archer.
Ask Aso how to deal with high lvl wiz on an tao.
Ask toriblack/manbearpig how to deal with a high lvl wiz on an assasin.
Ask depress/hyper/alfie and a few others how to deal with high lvl wiz on a warr.
as for wiz vs wiz, im not gonna help u, not cos i cant, but because i dont want to.

Now, you say MB is OP...add the mp consuption that should have always been there, and then think about the damage increase u actually gain from it.
look at level 3 rage and lvl 2 MB and consider the damage increased gained with each.
With lvl 3 rage on a dc 100 warrior( fairly easy to get) ur looking at a 15ish dc increase which equates to (around) +15 damage x2 for tdb and +40ish damage for fs.
With lvl 2 MB i get mc 18-18 which equates to about +20 damage per spell and a raised average for Flamefield with + 50ish damage
rage has no cooldown, MB has 20 second cooldown so as u can see at lvl 50 u gain quite a similar advantage on a warrior and wizard respectively, but i see 0 complaints about warriors being able to near 1 hit me at lvl 50 and near 2 hit ANY OTHER CLASS.

You say that a lvl 52 wiz can 2 hit a lvl 52 warrior or somthing to that effect? thats idiocy, you know the mechanics of the spells ur talking about, there are 2 ways to avoid this on a warrior..stand still and reduce the damage by half or simply dash out of it, u know u can.
Now, poeple are saying other clases die in 1 hit, obviously u mean 1 cast, but u can see that this is only achievable in 1 way and if you let a wizard put u in that position u should get floored for not thinking about what ur doing. you know what it takes to stop a wizard from using blizz/met

Basically what im saying is this, alot of this OP ness ur talking about is down to YOU not playing ur class with any forethought as to whats needed in any given circumstance, you can see that ive mentioned a few names of ppl who do.

 

[Samuel]

Little update...

I do plan on "correcting" Magic Booster... I don't know if "correcting" is the right term because, in all honesty, I don't know how it worked "officially", I do however agree that increased manage consumption is needed.

I wouldn't expect to be rooted to the ground after my spell had stop (think about it from their point of view).

I do remember MS and Blizard being on a "shared" timer officially and I don't think that is the case on here.

In any which way, once I get back around to class balance I think archers are in need of some tlc first.

Sam

 

[TheDayIDie]

Little update...

I do plan on "correcting" Magic Booster... I don't know if "correcting" is the right term because, in all honesty, I don't know how it worked "officially", I do however agree that increased manage consumption is needed.

I wouldn't expect to be rooted to the ground after my spell had stop (think about it from their point of view).

I do remember MS and Blizard being on a "shared" timer officially and I don't think that is the case on here.

In any which way, once I get back around to class balance I think archers are in need of some tlc first.

Sam

+1 to this but if wizard's get a few tweaks to make them a little more balanced then every other class I feel should fit in well.

Personally I think archers are good at the moment, agree'd they are squishy glass cannons but the major **** up for archers at the moment is MagicResist vs Archer Spells which needs fixing . Archers main DPS is screwed by tiger necklaces in PVP.

 

[Rollcage]

Little update...

I do plan on "correcting" Magic Booster... I don't know if "correcting" is the right term because, in all honesty, I don't know how it worked "officially", I do however agree that increased manage consumption is needed.

I wouldn't expect to be rooted to the ground after my spell had stop (think about it from their point of view).

I do remember MS and Blizard being on a "shared" timer officially and I don't think that is the case on here.

In any which way, once I get back around to class balance I think archers are in need of some tlc first.

Sam

i get why u want a shared timer, but no, they have NEVER i repeat NEVER been on a shared cooldown, because neither spell ever had a cooldown

 

[Silencer]

Little update...

I do plan on "correcting" Magic Booster... I don't know if "correcting" is the right term because, in all honesty, I don't know how it worked "officially", I do however agree that increased manage consumption is needed.

I wouldn't expect to be rooted to the ground after my spell had stop (think about it from their point of view).

I do remember MS and Blizard being on a "shared" timer officially and I don't think that is the case on here.

In any which way, once I get back around to class balance I think archers are in need of some tlc first.

Sam

Archers first.

+100