The End Of BETA

[MirinBrah?]

I killed iKH after the fix in town with no other mobs around at level 47 it took 3 weeks to kill it did it hurt much ? no but if i was hunting in BDD i would of had to TT after one iKH to re pot on MP How is that fixed ?

Then i speak to a lad who has been playing tao and he tells me hes been soloing DD/OKS ect no problem and curse is OP but he needs more time to test things but you take beta down we was given a small time frame to test stuff

i saw bugs so big in game that they would crash the server yes they where quick fix's once you found the reason for it but then more bugs where poping up like i have told you i want your server to do well but telling everyone you are happy with everything when you are not even aware of stuff is just dumb people will try the server but they will quickly leave unless you get drops/exp leveling curve right and PVP is the reason i play the game and you refused to let us test a speed 8 / slow 8

 

[Stavros]

How did you catch a wiz who use's clone that flinches you while he runs of and hit from range by the wiz ? let alone kill the wiz ? when he will stand in firewall
can wiz be killed by warrior yes but only if the wiz ****s up if they use clone/firewall and are smart run hit run they cant be killed

why lie tho lol

Didn't lie and I believe the gms were present. If your planning on being a warrior either l2p or roll wiz simple

 

[Xx69xX]

I killed iKH after the fix in town with no other mobs around at level 47 it took 3 weeks to kill it did it hurt much ? no but if i was hunting in BDD i would of had to TT after one iKH to re pot on MP How is that fixed ?

Then i speak to a lad who has been playing tao and he tells me hes been soloing DD/OKS ect no problem and curse is OP but he needs more time to test things but you take beta down we was given a small time frame to test stuff

i saw bugs so big in game that they would crash the server yes they where quick fix's once you found the reason for it but then more bugs where poping up like i have told you i want your server to do well but telling everyone you are happy with everything when you are not even aware of stuff is just dumb people will try the server but they will quickly leave unless you get drops/exp leveling curve right and PVP is the reason i play the game and you refused to let us test a speed 8 / slow 8

What are we not aware of though?

The crash you saw, was simply because of something we changed that day. We put new things in intentionally during beta, to see if they work, it didn't , we fixed it. Nothing old crashed, only something new.

-Apocalypse Team

 

[kahbe]

How did you catch a wiz who use's clone that flinches you while he runs of and hit from range by the wiz ? let alone kill the wiz ? when he will stand in firewall
can wiz be killed by warrior yes but only if the wiz ****s up if they use clone/firewall and are smart run hit run they cant be killed

why lie tho lol

a good warrior cud do it

 

[Stavros]

Pve faggots should stay away from PvP

 

[Kalamonde]

I was only in phase 3 but not alot of testing has been done and when you point out stuff to the gm's you get this is how it should be so you have a lvl 47 war struggling to kill iKH even KS yet a tao can solo OKS/DD ect no problem it needs a good 2 months of beta

they refused to test slow on a sin / a speed on a war and said if its over powered it deserved to be because it will cost alot to buy gems where is the logic in that ?

i found wizzard op as **** in pvp to the point where if its 1v1 the war/sin might as well run off / tt

shadow step was not in game was bugged so all testing was with out SS

i didnt play a hunter but it was a easy kill on a warrior

PB seems the only leveling map why would i go to any other cave when i can get 10k a mob in PB compared to orcs 15k? or the newer caves 16k? i can kill 3 PB mobs in time it takes to kill one it orcs / prime evil

one cave i went into normal mobs killed me within 30 secs as a level 47 warrior gm's response its a high end cave

so Wizzard will level faster then any other class they always have and always will yet it will be able to kill boss's that war/sin cant solo and be the best in PVP


If a warrior comes across a wizzard higher level they cant be killed if they manage to get 3 or 4 hits on them with 120 DC they can outpot your damage but good luck getting more then one hit on a wizard when they can just repulse you away

Slow on here is op to the point that if you get slowed you are dead in group pvp


I dont see the role of a mele class on this server when a wiz/tao can do everything better leveling/Boss/PVP

"I was only in phase 3 but..." This says it all, half the stuff you're reporting as a bug or imbalanced isn't close to correct. You're talking about exp/levelling when the real exp tables haven't been implemented yet.

You probably don't realise how many bugs were reported, and how many have yet to be fixed, this is still a work in progress, the OP slow was reported and is being looked into. I killed wizards with warriors in equal kit, it's more balanced than half the servers out there.

See what it's like when it's out, instead of slating an unreleased product. No wonder they didn't wanna do a beta, jesus christ, upmost respect for any game developer out there, your fan-base are morons.

P.S. Oh, and wiz soloing bosses sin/warr can't... are you mental? I tried trap-killing a level 30ish sub at level 41 with decent mc and ran out of pots. PEOPLE LIKE YOU (E.G. BAD PLAYERS) ARE THE PEOPLE THAT CAUSE BALANCING ISSUES ON THESE PRIVATE SERVERS... You can't play the game so you moan saying it's broken/imbalanced til it gets edited and rest of the server suffers.

/Nyx

 

[WhoFlungPooAndY]

Pve faggots should stay away from PvP

Sorry mate, didn't realise.

 

[Pottsy]

I was only in phase 3 but not alot of testing has been done and when you point out stuff to the gm's you get this is how it should be so you have a lvl 47 war struggling to kill iKH even KS yet a tao can solo OKS/DD ect no problem it needs a good 2 months of beta

they refused to test slow on a sin / a speed on a war and said if its over powered it deserved to be because it will cost alot to buy gems where is the logic in that ?

i found wizzard op as **** in pvp to the point where if its 1v1 the war/sin might as well run off / tt

shadow step was not in game was bugged so all testing was with out SS

i didnt play a hunter but it was a easy kill on a warrior

PB seems the only leveling map why would i go to any other cave when i can get 10k a mob in PB compared to orcs 15k? or the newer caves 16k? i can kill 3 PB mobs in time it takes to kill one it orcs / prime evil

one cave i went into normal mobs killed me within 30 secs as a level 47 warrior gm's response its a high end cave

so Wizzard will level faster then any other class they always have and always will yet it will be able to kill boss's that war/sin cant solo and be the best in PVP


If a warrior comes across a wizzard higher level they cant be killed if they manage to get 3 or 4 hits on them with 120 DC they can outpot your damage but good luck getting more then one hit on a wizard when they can just repulse you away

Slow on here is op to the point that if you get slowed you are dead in group pvp


I dont see the role of a mele class on this server when a wiz/tao can do everything better leveling/Boss/PVP

There is so much wrong with this post, I don't know where to start lol.

You could make the same argument about a Wizard being able to solo WT at Lv17 when no other class could without enormous difficulty.

Like I said before, EVERY class has some advantage over others....Otheriwse, wtfs the point in having classes if we're all on par with one another? lol.

Tao is and always will be the best boss solo class in the game, the poison/healing/pets/buffs makes them unparalelled in doing so.

Your post seems to be more about care bearing the Warrior to be able to PvP all classes and solo all decent bosses in game....This isn't going to happen lol. I don't know whether it's your skills as a player or not...But I had no trouble killing a Wizard 1v1 as a Sin.

Like i said before and like some others have already commented. Chances of you being in a 1v1 situation, unless agreed to previously from SZ is very unlikely...

Will a Tao 100% be left alone to solo any boss he likes? NOPE!
Will a War ever be 1v1 with no mobs in a cave? NOPE!
Will a Sin? NOPE!
Will a Wizard have free reign to never miss, or act too slowly? NOPE!

Will you have all the top end items in game? No clue, only time will test
Will certain spells/items such as slows/speeds be super rare or uncommon to make people "OP"? Again, no clue

You're commenting on scenarios that simply won't exist, or at best will rarely exist and refuse to look at the bigger picture lol.

The only imbalance i could agree on would be Hunters. But since Phase 1 they have been improving it, and there has been a drastic change in their ability to fight....But being just a Phase 3 tester, you don't even notice it. I trust in the teams ability to bring the Hunter on par before live, or perhaps a little after

 

[MirinBrah?]

"I was only in phase 3 but..." This says it all, half the stuff you're reporting as a bug or imbalanced isn't close to correct. You're talking about exp/levelling when the real exp tables haven't been implemented yet.

You probably don't realise how many bugs were reported, and how many have yet to be fixed, this is still a work in progress, the OP slow was reported and is being looked into. I killed wizards with warriors in equal kit, it's more balanced than half the servers out there.

See what it's like when it's out, instead of slating an unreleased product. No wonder they didn't wanna do a beta, jesus christ, upmost respect for any game developer out there, your fan-base are morons.

P.S. Oh, and wiz soloing bosses sin/warr can't... are you mental? I tried trap-killing a level 30ish sub at level 41 with decent mc and ran out of pots. PEOPLE LIKE YOU (E.G. BAD PLAYERS) ARE THE PEOPLE THAT CAUSE BALANCING ISSUES ON THESE PRIVATE SERVERS... You can't play the game so you moan saying it's broken/imbalanced til it gets edited and rest of the server suffers.

/Nyx

why wait untill its released to bring up things that are clearly unbalanced this is the point of beta to bring stuff up that the team have got wrong

the server needs a lot longer of beta i was the first person to point out iZT / IKH / KS was wrong how much more is wrong on here? i dont know i wasnt given long to test

Wiz/Tao can solo DD/OKS thats a fact if you can do it or not others have

 

[Vagrant]

@Apocalypse team :
I think that the server is ready to play as of now, i dont see any reason why not to put it up right now!

 

[squall777]

There is so much wrong with this post, I don't know where to start lol.

You could make the same argument about a Wizard being able to solo WT at Lv17 when no other class could without enormous difficulty.

Like I said before, EVERY class has some advantage over others....Otheriwse, wtfs the point in having classes if we're all on par with one another? lol.

Tao is and always will be the best boss solo class in the game, the poison/healing/pets/buffs makes them unparalelled in doing so.

Your post seems to be more about care bearing the Warrior to be able to PvP all classes and solo all decent bosses in game....This isn't going to happen lol. I don't know whether it's your skills as a player or not...But I had no trouble killing a Wizard 1v1 as a Sin.

Like i said before and like some others have already commented. Chances of you being in a 1v1 situation, unless agreed to previously from SZ is very unlikely...

Will a Tao 100% be left alone to solo any boss he likes? NOPE!
Will a War ever be 1v1 with no mobs in a cave? NOPE!
Will a Sin? NOPE!
Will a Wizard have free reign to never miss, or act too slowly? NOPE!

Will you have all the top end items in game? No clue, only time will test
Will certain spells/items such as slows/speeds be super rare or uncommon to make people "OP"? Again, no clue

You're commenting on scenarios that simply won't exist, or at best will rarely exist and refuse to look at the bigger picture lol.

The only imbalance i could agree on would be Hunters. But since Phase 1 they have been improving it, and there has been a drastic change in their ability to fight....But being just a Phase 3 tester, you don't even notice it. I trust in the teams ability to bring the Hunter on par before live, or perhaps a little after

I agree with what you say and that most things he said dont make sense. However instead of focusing to the shi t he posted ppl could focus on the rest feedback he gave.

At least personally from the things he said the "PB/oma lair exp difference" and the "high hp on bosses" caught my attention mostly because i hate servers which make bosses have 20 billion hp (low hp bosses with high regen and high dmg is better than having a boss you can easily outpot but has that much hp it feels like mining)

 

[Pottsy]

I agree with what you say and that most things he said dont make sense. However instead of focusing to the shi t he posted ppl could focus on the rest feedback he gave.

At least personally from the things he said the "PB/oma lair exp difference" and the "high hp on bosses" caught my attention mostly because i hate servers which make bosses have 20 billion hp (low hp bosses with high regen and high dmg is better than having a boss you can easily outpot but has that much hp it feels like mining)

Perhaps it may need a little tweaking lol.

But players like him don't get listened to. Everything he's stating is wrong and misleading and are the kinds of testers who shouldn't test because they focus on THEIR class. It's so obvious he wants to play a Warrior, and wants to ensure they get as much of a boost as possible.

If I can see that, the team certainly will...Would you cater to his suggestions knowing his agenda? Unlikely.

He's posted all wrong and hasn't "suggested" or given feedback at all...He's posted going "My class is too weak for my liking...increase it now!". He's taken absolutely zero consideration into the scenario he was put into...we had some pretty hefty kit given to us from an NPC, and all skills in game with nobody to interrupt you doing anything...i'd be amazed if a Tao couldn't solo every boss in game with enough time on each in this scenario lol.

There's just certain things like that, which you shouldn't take into consideration, cause it will never exist in a live version...Someone who doesn't understand that, shouldn't be a tester, because if the team actually do the changes, THAT is what will imbalance a server

If he stated how you just did, about less HP and more regen etc....it would be more useful

 

[squall777]

Perhaps it may need a little tweaking lol.

But players like him don't get listened to. Everything he's stating is wrong and misleading and are the kinds of testers who shouldn't test because they focus on THEIR class. It's so obvious he wants to play a Warrior, and wants to ensure they get as much of a boost as possible.

If I can see that, the team certainly will...Would you cater to his suggestions knowing his agenda? Unlikely.

He's posted all wrong and hasn't "suggested" or given feedback at all...He's posted going "My class is too weak for my liking...increase it now!". He's taken absolutely zero consideration into the scenario he was put into...we had some pretty hefty kit given to us from an NPC, and all skills in game with nobody to interrupt you doing anything...i'd be amazed if a Tao couldn't solo every boss in game with enough time on each in this scenario lol.

There's just certain things like that, which you shouldn't take into consideration, cause it will never exist in a live version...Someone who doesn't understand that, shouldn't be a tester, because if the team actually do the changes, THAT is what will imbalance a server

If he stated how you just did, about less HP and more regen etc....it would be more useful

Well...his way of saying things deffinately aint the best and the things he cries about are common things in mir so yes he does sound like a retard. On the other hand i believe most mir players including me are retards one way or another.

The thing tho is why noone else mentioned that thing about PB exp being OP or about omalair exp being sh it? There are many experienced players that got into beta and noone mentioned anything like that so either he just talks crap or the players bothered to look more for "bugs" instead of game mechanic issues (and thats not their fault).

I cant explain it in words really. Like i said before i would be really disappointed to see unbalanced caves/pve on launch after so many testers taking part in 3 different beta phases. I can understand PVP being hard to balance and requiring constant tweaks(aint that hard but i can understand it at least) but having unbalanced pve is inexcusable.

Chronicles lost 70% of their launch usercount within few months because noone tested drops so honestly i couldnt care less about displacement bugs.

Lets say you are a non-beta tester. What info exactly do you have to be hyped?
- Main assasin spell aka SS not working (according perhaps to a retard)
- Hunter class being sort of **** (who cares. Shouldnt exist in the first place)
- A lot of euro items and barely any info on the custom items other than the website which could be incomplete.
- No info regarding how rewarding drops are since team thought its a great idea to have super drops during betas.
- There are some new caves but non-beta testers have no idea where they are, what purpose they serve etc.

In general the whole "closed beta situation" and with the lack of info there is atm regarding the actual server mechanics has caused me to lose complete interest since i simply have nothing to look forward to. You have tested the server so you could be hyped or disappointed depending on what you saw but atm i see nothing other than a low-rate server based on C files with a team that changes their opinion about beta's and launch constantly. Apparently when phase 3 would end live would launch more or less. Now suddenly some "features" need to be implemented without any mention of what that is. Then a brief mention of a possible 4th beta phase. And still no ETA of launch.

 

[Xx69xX]

I am going to close this thread as it has got out of hand. Please make new threads for questions you feel have not been answered and I will happily answer the best I can.

In regards to Beta bugs, we are aware of what we are doing and we feel comfortable in the bugs we have fixed and the files are ready.


In terms of balance we will have it what we want it for live.


For those wanting an ETA, its really difficult to give you one as members of our team are currently going through their EOY exams which makes giving a time difficult.

-Apocalypse Team