Skills in shops as of 2.0 [community feedback]

Skill books in shops?

  • Yes

    Votes: 116 52.5%
  • No

    Votes: 105 47.5%

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shane1985

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Game needs to evolve to stay alive. Im up for any change, you have lots of content to add right? It can still be low rate and have more books in shop up to level 40. Im guessing content can be available for up to level 80+. The fore it's low rate? You can't compare the leveling to euro, this game far surpasses that.
 

The NightAngel

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Dude, I dont know if you havnt noticed yet (Maybe your retarded)

But LIFE is Pay to win, i think the quicker you realise this fact the quicker you can get on with your own life

Is it? I think you are a little retarded yourself.
The best things in life dont cost a penny, the quicker you realise this fact the quicker you can actualy be happy in life.
Back to the GAME.....
 

terriblen

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Dude, I dont know if you havnt noticed yet (Maybe your retarded)

But LIFE is Pay to win, i think the quicker you realise this fact the quicker you can get on with your own life and stop hating on people who are more sucessful and have managed to get out of the rat race, unlike yourself.
Money cant buy you love.
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its still a rat race when you have money. You aren't exempt from hassle when you're rich and most are paranoid about losing their money or being conned or gold diggers.
Pay to win in a game like this just means the rich/gullible are being parted from their money by server hosts. This is fine if that's the server intention(many of them like that very successful) That was not the stated intention here.

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Causal players will choose a server to play. They will contribute money to keep a server up but it need to be proved that the server is worth to pay.

With the drop file, ppl are leaving.

Dropfile leavers should learn to understand drop files. There's a post about it. Plenty of these skill books have dropped in psc, reincarnation and Blade avalanche from a PT mob, tdb from a PI mob, hallucination from a Treepath mob. It isn't just the bosses that drop them. I reckon that if you took a break for a couple of months and then came back most of the skills that are now "rare" would be in TM for not too much money.
Casual players and soloers never get the best kit and skills early on in a server(unless they happen to get that really lucky drop) but they do get them all eventually. Its been 8 weeks.
 
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FUTURA

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money cant buy you love.
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its still a rat race when you have money. You aren't exempt from hassle when you're rich and most are paranoid about losing their money or being conned or gold diggers.
Pay to win in a game like this just means the rich/gullible are being parted from their money by server hosts. This is fine if that's the server intention(many of them like that very successful) that was not the stated intention here.

this is not baller!!!
 

grimlife

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U mixed the real life with a game. For sure. Dont be stupid dude. U can not avoid the real life but ppl can choose any game. The player count on this server already showed that ppl vote by leaving or staying. Pay to win a game can only prove that ur a looser in real life cos u wish to prove in a game that ur a not a losser! A pay to win game will die quick. And then left those who think they paid to win this game. WOW had last for more than 10 years and still a lot of ppl playing it. Blizzard earn the respect of running a good game. They do know how to balance.

Sorry i had to pick this out as i almost fell of my chair ^^

clearly havnt played wow much, as its been purely pay to win for 4+ years now , even down to buying lvl 90 charaters from there cash shop.......
https://us.battle.net/shop/product/world-of-warcraft-service-character-boost

Wow was catered for the mass's, and cannot be compared to any other mmo unfortunatly in terms of player base.
(i was a wow addict from beta untill end of burning crusades, when wow was good)

Name one other company that has paid MILLIONS to super stars like Ozzy Osbourne, Chuck norris, MR.T ect ect to do Mass Tv advert campaign?
This is the only reason wow has sutch a large player base.
Sutch a lazy mans game now.


Sorry its offtopic but i almost died when i saw a sentence with Blizzard, Respect, Good Game AND Balance all in one!
(everyone knows each expansion has favored a certain class)



















'On topic, sam you can see what needs to be done :)
Just add skills back the the normal mobs like before, but with very low drop rates :)



i can confirm Redboars in ST drop Blade avalanche
 
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crepesvillage

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Sorry i had to pick this out as i almost fell of my chair ^^

clearly havnt played wow much, as its been purely pay to win for 4+ years now , even down to buying lvl 90 charaters from there cash shop.......
https://us.battle.net/shop/product/world-of-warcraft-service-character-boost

Wow was catered for the mass's, and cannot be compared to any other mmo unfortunatly in terms of player base.
(i was a wow addict from beta untill end of burning crusades, when wow was good)

Name one other company that has paid MILLIONS to super stars like Ozzy Osbourne, Chuck norris, MR.T ect ect to do Mass Tv advert campaign?
This is the only reason wow has sutch a large player base.
Sutch a lazy mans game now.


Sorry its offtopic but i almost died when i saw a sentence with Blizzard, Respect, Good Game AND Balance all in one!
(everyone knows each expansion has favored a certain class)



















'On topic, sam you can see what needs to be done :)
Just add skills back the the normal mobs like before, but with very low drop rates :)



i can confirm Redboars in ST drop Blade avalanche

I played WOW from beginning until the recent Pandarian. U cant say before which version it was good. From D2, Star Craft, War3 until D3. I played most of Blizzard's Game. If they dont know how to balance, They wont be called E-sport. Every time they change the game, some ppl left and new ppl come. U dont like certain version will not change that game is a great game.

Most of the causal players wont have enough time to play a long day game. U said its a lazy man's thing. But it is true that most of ppl can enjoy the game cos most of us are not professional gamer. We r not living for that. We arent like Dota ers. So do u expect causal players to play a game like 20 hours a day? When I finish job and back to home, do you think I can spend half to 1 hours time just run to the boss and watch other players killed it and then make a pvp there for the rest of time? Can I enjoy it? U can sitting there for half day but do majorities could spend that long on a game? Blizzard could win those much ppl cos they know who are their customers. That is why they have such big customer base. Also with such big customer bases, they can still reply my ticket within 1 day and solve my problem. That is called service.

They certainly know how to make good business than most of the short life private server even like mir usa official.

It is a fact that Blizzard did much better than other companies. Not cos they rich. It is because they know how to serve the majority. They know what class of players will kill the game so they kick them out by changing the game. And that is why they last long.

When a game start creating hate, rage and cry, it will die not long.

If this server want short and quick money, they will serve the rich ppl. But will lose most of players in time line. If they want long server and fair playing. They should serve the majority. Otherwise this will be another short life server. Sadly mir2 the game itself attract a lot of bull players. With a lot of Chinese private server exp, I have to say, the Big guild, Cheaters, BOTers and Hate creaters ruined the most of the server. Sam had a good start. I wish them go for long.

I had my own private server before but never put into public. I enjoy the 1 man game. Sadly I m not a IT guy so after win7 i have to left the old game gone.

Anyway, I vote yes.

Try to make every item obtainable by any player. This will make more ppl enjoy it. make crafting guy can craft book. Make mobs drop book pages or weapon pieces. This will also make the game better I believe. Not everyone can hunt big boss even smaller ones when big guild around.
 

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Try to make every item obtainable by any player. This will make more ppl enjoy it. make crafting guy can craft book. Make mobs drop book pages or weapon pieces. This will also make the game better I believe. Not everyone can hunt big boss even smaller ones when big guild around.

This it try to vote always *Grind Yes but Mobs need Drop in a normal way all things too not rare not limited. Otherwise *Delete all Mobs And make it a Bosskill only game... ppl will get bored after year only Boss Boss Boss... I like hunt Mobs more then just to login for a Boss to kill. Sure sometimes to kill a "boss" is a entertainment but thats all and the rest of time grind only for XP ?
 

spacemonstar

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Try to make every item obtainable by any player. This will make more ppl enjoy it. make crafting guy can craft book. Make mobs drop book pages or weapon pieces. This will also make the game better I believe. Not everyone can hunt big boss even smaller ones when big guild around.

You have good points +1
 

KOSAdvenger

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If all you dinosaurs had listened 2 months ago you would have had a healthy Mir server. Instead you wanted a server where everyone runs around in shop kit using bolt/heal/slaying/ to kill everything.
 

grimlife

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I played WOW from beginning until the recent Pandarian. U cant say before which version it was good. From D2, Star Craft, War3 until D3. I played most of Blizzard's Game. If they dont know how to balance, They wont be called E-sport. Every time they change the game, some ppl left and new ppl come. U dont like certain version will not change that game is a great game.

Most of the causal players wont have enough time to play a long day game. U said its a lazy man's thing. But it is true that most of ppl can enjoy the game cos most of us are not professional gamer. We r not living for that. We arent like Dota ers. So do u expect causal players to play a game like 20 hours a day? When I finish job and back to home, do you think I can spend half to 1 hours time just run to the boss and watch other players killed it and then make a pvp there for the rest of time? Can I enjoy it? U can sitting there for half day but do majorities could spend that long on a game? Blizzard could win those much ppl cos they know who are their customers. That is why they have such big customer base. Also with such big customer bases, they can still reply my ticket within 1 day and solve my problem. That is called service.

They certainly know how to make good business than most of the short life private server even like mir usa official.

It is a fact that Blizzard did much better than other companies. Not cos they rich. It is because they know how to serve the majority. They know what class of players will kill the game so they kick them out by changing the game. And that is why they last long.

When a game start creating hate, rage and cry, it will die not long.

If this server want short and quick money, they will serve the rich ppl. But will lose most of players in time line. If they want long server and fair playing. They should serve the majority. Otherwise this will be another short life server. Sadly mir2 the game itself attract a lot of bull players. With a lot of Chinese private server exp, I have to say, the Big guild, Cheaters, BOTers and Hate creaters ruined the most of the server. Sam had a good start. I wish them go for long.

I had my own private server before but never put into public. I enjoy the 1 man game. Sadly I m not a IT guy so after win7 i have to left the old game gone.

Anyway, I vote yes.

Try to make every item obtainable by any player. This will make more ppl enjoy it. make crafting guy can craft book. Make mobs drop book pages or weapon pieces. This will also make the game better I believe. Not everyone can hunt big boss even smaller ones when big guild around.

Haha, altho i could debate about blizzard with you all day for hours on end, to make you see what blizzard is really about and how and why they changed, but i wont :P (i used to be a hardcore bliz fan! but now im a hardcore hate fan :P)
surprisingly, im from a corporate background so i know exactly what there about and whats important to them and i can assure you customers are no way near top of there list.

I know exactly where your coming from regarding the time aspect of things, witch is what blizard caters for now, but unfortunately aspects like these are what makes up a decent GOOD "HARDCORE" (for me atleast)games witch is what alot of the "real / proff" gamers are looking for, otherwise why are we all here playing a super outdated game? because it has aspects new games just dont implement, because the new generation of gamers dont like "hardcore"

i enjoyed the murlarky that came with old school wow hunts, it caused so much world PVP and dramas it was unbelievable , so many chain reactions where cause, like massive raids on citys and towns just for the fun of it because somone ruined your guild hunt lol, it was sooooooooooooooooo fun and you got a real sense of community playing with the same players, and yes at times it was very very annoying when you just wanna get on with things and you got death camped or summin, but the other players were enjoying themselfs so who cares aslong as someones having fun.
(but now everything is instant instances, you never even have to leave town/citys to be honest)

Blizzard used to be a REALLY good company back in the days, but there nothing but a big let down now.
( D3 = MASSIVE fail and was massive disappointment!!! hence why the development team left and made there own game... and i also rember leaving threats from the SC team after discussions on how the game should be made )


But anyway
+1 to bold text

I also think every item should be achievable by any player, aslong as the effort has been put in to gain the item!

Making a skill crafting system would be a nice addition, but i still feel the lucky drops are still a funner and better option
(i know thats what keeps me hunting, the tiny hope of something epic dropping from normal mob that none else has)

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If all you dinosaurs had listened 2 months ago you would have had a healthy Mir server. Instead you wanted a server where everyone runs around in shop kit using bolt/heal/slaying/ to kill everything.

sounds like a med rate server..... 2 months and everyone has anything they need? GG server goes stale and dies, what another 2 months later? total server life span 4 months?
 
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KOSAdvenger

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sounds like a med rate server..... 2 months and everyone has anything they need? GG server goes stale and dies, what another 2 months later? total server life span 4 months?


Stale server? Hello Dinosaur, your the classic person I am talking about.

Mir has OPEN world aspects which other games do not have. This is what makes the game fun. If KoS would of stayed we would of been fighting for the walls, the chance to smash apex and every other guild like we did in the past. We however had no interest in grinding for years for some private server which might get hacked ....o wait it did.

Dinosaur mentality like yours is the reason there is 350 people on right now instead of 700-1000.

No one is saying throw items on the ground, just give it realistic numbers.
 

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I like items brings rare on Mir, it's great and I would be happy in any kit as long as I got to experience everything the game had to offer. Without access to all spells/abilities within the game, you are pretty much playing less than a full game.

Even the people who don't want change, would eventually want change if in 2 years they still didn't have some spells(FF for example), if some new player had crazy luck and got FF within a month of patch 2.0 and then someone who plays loads didn't get it after 2 years, they would eventually start moaning.
 

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Stale server? Hello Dinosaur, your the classic person I am talking about.

Mir has OPEN world aspects which other games do not have. This is what makes the game fun. If KoS would of stayed we would of been fighting for the walls, the chance to smash apex and every other guild like we did in the past. We however had no interest in grinding for years for some private server which might get hacked ....o wait it did.

Dinosaur mentality like yours is the reason there is 350 people on right now instead of 700-1000.

No one is saying throw items on the ground, just give it realistic numbers.

Dont know why you have these ideas, give some proper reasons dude, rather then calling people dinosaurs.
and its down to matters of opinion, dont get personal

Sounds more like your worryed about having your invested time wasted if server goes down for any reason.........

And how about less chat and more action?!?
If you think you can take the wall prove it, or its all talk and never happend



All sams gotta do is increase drop rates, but he has to balance it correctly so that the server dosent get flooded with skills and that they can keep a decent value for people selling them
 
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Jicaa

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All sams gotta do is increase drop rates, but he has to balance it correctly so that the server dosent get flooded with skills and that they can keep a decent value for people selling them

Unless everyone has a full set of spells in a month or 2 with these increased drop rates, then why play? If you don't get to play the game to its fullest then why play?

Mir has such a great open world game play, the rate on equipment drops in low rate is also great and yet I am really uninterested in playing half a class because I don't have my spells.

If they do drop from monsters, then need to drop often enough for everyone to eventually have every spell, and preferably have them dropped by the time they reach the required level.
 

grimlife

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I suppose Another way sam could approach this is how Euro did it.

Put the all or atleast most, spells in the shops, but make the skill really hard and long to level up? lol, im not much of a fan of this, but its a suggestion.
 

Jicaa

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I suppose Another way sam could approach this is how Euro did it.

Put the all or atleast most, spells in the shops, but make the skill really hard and long to level up? lol, im not much of a fan of this, but its a suggestion.

This would work well imo, they could even add some way to not allow afk leveling them(might only work on damaging skills tho)
 

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I suppose Another way sam could approach this is how Euro did it.

Put the all or atleast most, spells in the shops, but make the skill really hard and long to level up? lol, im not much of a fan of this, but its a suggestion.
Euro's skills got into the shops by enough of them being sold there. Then the shops would regenerate.

The player base is now under 250, late on a sunday, it's previously been over a hundred more than this. You're not going to get long term play from the server, so in hindsight, I'd say make everything as achievable as possible. So in terms of this server, I'd say put it all in the shops.

As soon as the new content comes out, every player over 40 will *expect* to be able to transverse all the mobs and all the areas, even tho they weren't designed for those levels (you should still be wrapping your heads around pb).

Too much, too quick, too soon. What you going to do when Sam runs out of content ? You have all your skills, all your weapons, been everywhere, within... I'd say... a few weeks of 2.0.
 

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The player count seems to of dropped by over 100 already, sure some were cheaters, but others are people who are either bored or disliked the file leak.

All servers at the start of their life time have higher numbers than 1 month on typically. The only reason you notice the drop of 100 players is because of how many more people play this server. Some were cheaters and others got bored etc like you mentioned, but I think the main reason is that people came back looking for that Mir nostalgia, got it and then decided to go back to whatever they did before. They simply felt like playing mir, talking to old friends, got their fill of it and then moved on.

Also I think alot of people are put off by the negativity and realise that because of their responsibilities they won't ever be able to catch up to those with much more free time.

Edit: Levels need to get alot harder alot faster after 40 imo.
 
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