Clash Project.

[Jamie]

Elements in this project act as a convertion not as a a slight damage increase.

EXAMPLE how it currently works.

Weapons:
1) DC 100 - 100, No Elements.
2) DC 100 - 100, Attack: + 5 Fire.
3) DC 100 - 100, Attack: + 10 Fire.
4) DC 100 - 100, Attack: + 15 Fire.
5) DC 100 - 100, Attack: +7 Fire, +4 Wind, +2 Ice.

Each Attack Element converts 10% of the damage to that element,
Weapon 2 = 50 Fire Damage and 50 Normal Damage
Weapon 3 = 100 Fire Damage and 0 Normal Damage
Weapon 4 = 150 Fire Damage and 0 Normal Damage
Weapon 5 = 70 Fire, 40 Wind, 20 Ice Damage and 0 Normal Damage.


Monsters:
A) AC 100-100, No Element
B) AC 100-100, Defence: +5 Fire
C) AC 100-100, Defence: +10 Fire
D) AC 100-100, Defence: +15 Fire
E) AC 100-100, Defence: -5 Fire
F) AC 100-100, Defence: -10 Fire
G) AC 100-100, Defence: -15 Fire
H) AC 20-20, Defence: -5 Fire, +5 Wind +2 Ice

Each Defence Element = +/-10% of the element damage it takes.

Monster B = 50% Fire Resistance (Will take 50% less Fire Damage)
Monster C = 100% Fire Resistance (Will take 0 Fire Damage)
Monster D = 150% Fire Resistance (Will be Healed 50% of the Fire Damage)
Monster E = -50% Fire Resistance (Will take 50% More Fire Damage)
Monster F = -100% Fire Resistance (Will take 100% More Fire Damage)
Monster G = -150% Fire Resistance (Will take 150% More Fire Damage)
Monster H = -50% Fire, 50% Wind, 20% Ice (Will take 50% More Fire Damage, 50% Less Wind Damage 20% Less Ice Damage)

Weapon 1 Vs All Mobs = 0 Damage Except the last one where it will be 80 Damage (100 - 20).

(50Fire Damage 50 Normal Damage)
Weapon 2 Vs Mob A = 50 Damage.
Weapon 2 Vs Mob B = 25 Damage.(50 - 50% = 50 - 25)
Weapon 2 Vs Mob C = 0 Damage.
Weapon 2 Vs Mob D = Will heal the mob for 25 due to Fire.
Weapon 2 Vs Mob E = 75 Damage. (50 + 50% = 50+ 25)
Weapon 2 Vs Mob F = 100 Damage.
Weapon 2 Vs Mob G = 150 Damage.
Weapon 2 Vs Mob H = 105Damage... 75Fire Damage and (50 - 20) 30 Normal Damage.

(100Fire Damage 0Normal Damage)
Weapon 3 Vs Mob A = 100 Damage.
Weapon 3 Vs Mob B = 50 Damage. (100- 50% = 100-50)
Weapon 3 Vs Mob C = 0 Damage.
Weapon 3 Vs Mob D = Will heal the mob for 50 due to Fire.
Weapon 3 Vs Mob E = 150 Damage. (100+ 50% = 100+ 50)
Weapon 3 Vs Mob F = 200 Damage.
Weapon 3 Vs Mob G = 250 Damage.
Weapon 3 Vs Mob H = 150 Damage.

(150Fire Damage 0Normal Damage)
Weapon 4 Vs Mob A = 150 Damage.
Weapon 4 Vs Mob B = 75 Damage. (150 - 50% = 150 - 75)
Weapon 4 Vs Mob C = 0 Damage.
Weapon 4 Vs Mob D = Will heal the mob for 75 due to Fire.
Weapon 4 Vs Mob E = 225 Damage. (150 + 50% = 150 + 75)
Weapon 4 Vs Mob F = 300 Damage.
Weapon 4 Vs Mob G = 375 Damage.
Weapon 4 Vs Mob H = 225 Damage.

(70Fire, 40 Wind, 20 Ice Damage 0Normal Damage)
Weapon 5 Vs Mob A = 130 Damage. 70F + 40W + 20I.
Weapon 5 Vs Mob B = 95 Damage (70F - 50% = 70 - 35) + 40W + 20I.
Weapon 5 Vs Mob C = 60 Damage 0F + 40W + 20I.
Weapon 5 Vs Mob D = 25 Damage. -35F(Heal) + 40W + 20I
Weapon 5 Vs Mob E = 165 Damage (70F + 50% = 70F + 35F) + 40W + 20I.
Weapon 5 Vs Mob F = 200 Damage. 140F +40W +20I
Weapon 5 Vs Mob G = 235 Damage. 175F +40W + 20I
Weapon 5 Vs Mob H = 141 Damage. 105F + 20W + 16I

This was a bit rushed, figures should be accurate.

having to pop out so wanted to finish this post before i go.

If someone knows a more presentable format let me know.

 

[mStation]

you wrote:

Weapon 1 Vs All Mobs = 0 Damage.
is this correct even though mob H) has AC 20-20, Defence: -5 Fire, +5 Wind +2 Ice?

also is this me understanding it wrong or not, you said that weapon 2 has
DC 100 - 100, Attack: + 5 Fire and you wrote that Weapon 2 = 50 Fire Damage and 50 Normal Damage, is the 50 normal damage calculated because you have only 50% of fire taken from 100dc? so that 50 goes to fire and the rest goes to normal damage?

for example if weapon 2 is DC 100 - 100, Attack: +5 Fire, +2 Wind will you have 50 fire damage, 20 wind damage and 30 normal damage?

 

[Jamie]

you wrote:

Weapon 1 Vs All Mobs = 0 Damage.
is this correct even though mob H) has AC 20-20, Defence: -5 Fire, +5 Wind +2 Ice?

Correct >.< I forgot about that 20-20AC

also is this me understanding it wrong or not, you said that weapon 2 has
DC 100 - 100, Attack: + 5 Fire and you wrote that Weapon 2 = 50 Fire Damage and 50 Normal Damage, is the 50 normal damage calculated because you have only 50% of fire taken from 100dc? so that 50 goes to fire and the rest goes to normal damage?

Indeed that is the case.

for example if weapon 2 is DC 100 - 100, Attack: +5 Fire, +2 Wind will you have 50 fire damage, 20 wind damage and 30 normal damage?

Correct Again

 

[mStation]

i think i like it.. it make things quite more complicated but at least it adds some important changes.. does elements affect also pvp? players can have element defense?

 

[Toddwhite]

so having elemenst can actually make you do 0 dmg?

would have thought just having Dc as normal dc then adding a % of dc as fire damage to rorignal dmaage would make it better.

edit - nm i misread the ac 100-100

/gw

 

[Jamie]

i think i like it.. it make things quite more complicated but at least it adds some important changes.. does elements affect also pvp? players can have element defense?

Of course

(Both +/- Defence)

 

[Pottsy]

Lol dunno about these people, but i actually understood that video quite easily :P nothing new than what mir servers have already...just basically Jamie showing he's got it working, that mobs can use skills we can. E.g. WhiteFox's in Mir2 casting Curse/Shinsu etc.

An if you payed attention to their health bars, you'd see it regenerates...and also that the "healer" your refering to, is actually just a friend of his by the looks of it that doesn't want to help kill stuff :P

Anyways....good work Jamie ^_^

 

[GOMEEE]

An if you payed attention to their health bars, you'd see it regenerates...and also that the "healer" your refering to, is actually just a friend of his by the looks of it that doesn't want to help kill stuff :P

i think that your wrong on that one.

as far as i understood it, (and by wht jamie said) one of the mobs was healing the other mob.

a mob can heal othermobs if they are standing in an adjacent space or something.

 

[^G0trex]

i think that your wrong on that one.

as far as i understood it, (and by wht jamie said) one of the mobs was healing the other mob.

a mob can heal othermobs if they are standing in an adjacent space or something.

He wasn't arguing that. You misconstrued his post.

I gave up reading that element post half way down cos I got epicly confused/bored with all the numbers and stuff but it seems good.

 

[mStation]

i also misunderstood sonic's post.. however i must agree that the element post is surely hard to workout.. it wasn't this immediate since all those example posted

the only thing that scares me is the fact that even with 100-100dc you can still score 0 damage... :S

 

[Pottsy]

Lol sorry i was pissed when i did my last post :P

I meant i understood the video easily as in i figured out that the mobs were healing themselves since the casting effect was coming and landing on their bodies, just that someone mentioned a healer which i just assumed they meant the other player that was on the screen which could be confused as the healer lol.

But like i said, it was pretty straight forward as the other player wasn't casting or doing anything, whereas the mobs were attacking/healing...kinda common sense if you think about it lol

i also misunderstood sonic's post.. however i must agree that the element post is surely hard to workout.. it wasn't this immediate since all those example posted

the only thing that scares me is the fact that even with 100-100dc you can still score 0 damage... :S

I also don't like that idea of doing 0 damage lol.

I thought a better way would be like this....(Hopefully you can understand me here lol)

DC 100-100 (No Element Damage) against a FireMino = 100 Damage
DC 100-100 (+1 Fire Damage) against a FireMino = 90 Damage
DC 100-100 (+1 Ice Damage) against a FireMino = 110 Damage

Basically it should always do the stat damage (In this example, DC 100 Damage) and only have elements increase/decrease the damage...instead of replacing it completely with element damage.

However, i do see the plus side to having it like this, but i think eventually it would get a bit tedious having to switch weapons for almost any hunt you do to make sure your not hitting 0s lol

 

[akira87]

No its good if it does 0 damage it means actually mixing up your kit to suit different situations, Which is far more interesting than just "having" a great kit and slowly lulling youself into insanity as you stare at the same item pictures for days....and days.....and days....I quit.

 

[mStation]

Lol sorry i was pissed when i did my last post :P

I meant i understood the video easily as in i figured out that the mobs were healing themselves since the casting effect was coming and landing on their bodies, just that someone mentioned a healer which i just assumed they meant the other player that was on the screen which could be confused as the healer lol.

But like i said, it was pretty straight forward as the other player wasn't casting or doing anything, whereas the mobs were attacking/healing...kinda common sense if you think about it lol



I also don't like that idea of doing 0 damage lol.

I thought a better way would be like this....(Hopefully you can understand me here lol)

DC 100-100 (No Element Damage) against a FireMino = 100 Damage
DC 100-100 (+1 Fire Damage) against a FireMino = 90 Damage
DC 100-100 (+1 Ice Damage) against a FireMino = 110 Damage

Basically it should always do the stat damage (In this example, DC 100 Damage) and only have elements increase/decrease the damage...instead of replacing it completely with element damage.

However, i do see the plus side to having it like this, but i think eventually it would get a bit tedious having to switch weapons for almost any hunt you do to make sure your not hitting 0s lol

i like this idea and elements could be limited so that you will never have +10 fire damage so that against a fireminotaur you will always score some damage and not 0.. understand?

it could be like luck which becomes very hard to add after a certain point and put a limit to 9 which allows you to increase / decrease the attack rate by only 90% and not go over 100%.. don't know if it is a good idea but atleast even the the brutal situation that you have the wrong kit on you can still kill something..

 

[^G0trex]

I kind of agree with both arguments...

No its good if it does 0 damage it means actually mixing up your kit to suit different situations, Which is far more interesting than just "having" a great kit and slowly lulling youself into insanity as you stare at the same item pictures for days....and days.....and days....I quit.

This guy has a point because on most other games you don't just have *one kit* for all occasions, you mix and match for different places. Makes things more interesting and diverse.

 

[Shank]

seems long and pointless lol

 

[mStation]

not so pointless tbh.. it isn't a bad idea to add something new.. mir was quite too easy for everyone.. makes the game need some smartness

 

[Pottsy]

I do like the idea, don't get me wrong.

I can just see it becoming stupidly annoying lol, especially if your a warrior lol...imagine a group of 10 of you reaching like ST B7 after mass effort and organising only to have half your group say "Oh **** i forgot i need Wind element here" lol.

Then going by the laziness of players these days, they would have no choice but to TT if they cause 0 damage and wouldn't bother returning...ending the hunt.

I would like the idea of elements making big differences....just not THAT big

 

[akira87]

In that case half of your group should be shot for not getting there **** together for a 7 floor run

 

[Toddwhite]

The reason it was doing 0 damage is because all the mobs have ac 100-100.....

dc 100-1000 Vs ac 100-100 with no slaying or tdb etc, will do 0...

/gw

 

[mStation]

The reason it was doing 0 damage is because all the mobs have ac 100-100.....

dc 100-1000 Vs ac 100-100 with no slaying or tdb etc, will do 0...

/gw

you surely got a good point there.. i didn't consider that.. stupid me :S