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Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Well this what the thread is for..
Keep it coming, It's not falling on death ears. (More constructive the post, the more value).
Well this what the thread is for..
Keep it coming, It's not falling on death ears. (More constructive the post, the more value).
- Nov 10, 2004
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Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
I think if you're going to use a rebirth system, you have to keep it from being way over powered, here's what I would propose.
Requirements
Benefits
Penalties
I believe something like this will make Rebirthing an attractive prospect, but not overpowered. You can also Rebirth multiple times, but each time the cost requirement goes up by 10M gold, and the Benefits/Penalties stack. So on 2nd rebirth, you get +10% xp and +10% drop, but -20% group XP and +50% skill leveling requirements.
How would that sound to people?
I think if you're going to use a rebirth system, you have to keep it from being way over powered, here's what I would propose.
Requirements
- Level 47 (Keep it something that is reachable for the non 12 hour a day players, but still difficult).
- Not wearing any equipment
- You cannot be a Mentor.
- 10M Gold
Benefits
- +5% XP
- +5% Drop
- +5% Damage To All Log Mobs (Not bosses)
- +2 of any base stat of your choice
Penalties
- -10% Group XP
- +25% Skill Leveling Requirements (so 100K to level up a skill would now be 125K)
- Have to buy all skill books again
- Cannot be Mentored
I believe something like this will make Rebirthing an attractive prospect, but not overpowered. You can also Rebirth multiple times, but each time the cost requirement goes up by 10M gold, and the Benefits/Penalties stack. So on 2nd rebirth, you get +10% xp and +10% drop, but -20% group XP and +50% skill leveling requirements.
How would that sound to people?
- Feb 13, 2014
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Think youre just confused as to what your server is. Its losing identity by the day.
Youre trying to keep a euro/official feel, then go and add Max Luck and No Drop Entire Body to a month long event.... Just doesnt go hand in hand.
All of those things you mentioned in the rebirth perks/penalties would be so hard to balance and far from the LowRate you set your stall out to be.
I like that youre pushing the boundries with new features in Mir, but sometimes sticking to the basics and just bringing new Boss AI's is more than enough. You know, making the game fun gameplay wise instead of impressive coding wise.
Think youre just confused as to what your server is. Its losing identity by the day.
Youre trying to keep a euro/official feel, then go and add Max Luck and No Drop Entire Body to a month long event.... Just doesnt go hand in hand.
All of those things you mentioned in the rebirth perks/penalties would be so hard to balance and far from the LowRate you set your stall out to be.
I like that youre pushing the boundries with new features in Mir, but sometimes sticking to the basics and just bringing new Boss AI's is more than enough. You know, making the game fun gameplay wise instead of impressive coding wise.
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Dislike the idea of rebirth this early on, you're bringing the end of the servers life to the beggining...for me anyway
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And with luck9 and 0 chance of me or them dropping I don't see much point in logging in atm, which is sad....
Dislike the idea of rebirth this early on, you're bringing the end of the servers life to the beggining...for me anyway
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And with luck9 and 0 chance of me or them dropping I don't see much point in logging in atm, which is sad....
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Lk9 and no body drop is the stupidest thing i've seen in Mir in years. Literally pointless fighting / pointless levelling as I have already been ganked by Tzuk who has lk9 and no drop. Lets sort issue at hand first.
Lk9 and no body drop is the stupidest thing i've seen in Mir in years. Literally pointless fighting / pointless levelling as I have already been ganked by Tzuk who has lk9 and no drop. Lets sort issue at hand first.
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Theres no way people would use it for that. Not without Rebirth-only items atleast. By time I did 0-47 again I could have done 47-50 and not have been a noob again struggling to kill things.
Rebirth is just a bad idea tbh. If it's put in for lvl 45, people who are lvl 46+ would lose out on levels to use it,. If its put in for lvl 50+ its such a trade off that it would have to be seriously OP to be worth it.
Theres no way people would use it for that. Not without Rebirth-only items atleast. By time I did 0-47 again I could have done 47-50 and not have been a noob again struggling to kill things.
Rebirth is just a bad idea tbh. If it's put in for lvl 45, people who are lvl 46+ would lose out on levels to use it,. If its put in for lvl 50+ its such a trade off that it would have to be seriously OP to be worth it.
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
No risk with every gain possible
The counter is luck 9 and no body drops each way....carebear mode enabled.
No risk with every gain possible
The counter is luck 9 and no body drops each way....carebear mode enabled.
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Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Could easily add in some rebirth only kit that while good, isn't as good as 47+ kit. And that's fine if people don't want to do it. The point is that it's a choice. Some people could stick to playing the lategame, some people could rebirth without being over powered.
Could easily add in some rebirth only kit that while good, isn't as good as 47+ kit. And that's fine if people don't want to do it. The point is that it's a choice. Some people could stick to playing the lategame, some people could rebirth without being over powered.
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
My honest opinion is rebirth should be kept to high rates.. the double stats seem pretty overkill and alot of negative points.. server defo doesn't need rebirth mechanics added yet if not ever... also adding revival rings in my opinion always kills a pk aspect revive tt wait come back endless loop to keep your items safe.
Please think this one through thoroughly before adding this big of a change maybe create a poll to see if this intrigues people
My honest opinion is rebirth should be kept to high rates.. the double stats seem pretty overkill and alot of negative points.. server defo doesn't need rebirth mechanics added yet if not ever... also adding revival rings in my opinion always kills a pk aspect revive tt wait come back endless loop to keep your items safe.
Please think this one through thoroughly before adding this big of a change maybe create a poll to see if this intrigues people
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Thats the reason for this post to get feed back,
The Double stats would be only the base stats (Naked, No Kit, no buffs) not Double item stats etc.
Thats the reason for this post to get feed back,
The Double stats would be only the base stats (Naked, No Kit, no buffs) not Double item stats etc.
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Phew, what a bombshell to drop on us Jamie.
So, I am completely open to the idea of a rebirth system. Absolutely could work in Mir if done right, no issues there.
But this proposed system just isn't it. There are very few who have the means to get level 50, for a start. This is not something that the whole server can aim for. The pro's/con's are completely out of whack - I simply would not rebirth if I couldn't use suns, could give me triple my stats, still wouldn't be worth it in a game with stealth-sins.
I like the IDEAS behind it, like the extra features, the rebirth-only mobs etc. But I think you should focus on (for now) content that'll help the levels 40-50 first. Then find a way to entice people to level beyond 48, to want to keep going with the grind. Because it is a GRIND and the moment you start to understand/feel that, you lose interest.
I'd be down to go through what a healthy rebirth system would look like with you but it'd require a lot more time and effort than I can put into this current post.
What the game needs RIGHT NOW as in effectively immediately is a cave that rivals BDD, or a simple extension of BDD. There's a lot of doors to use here, it's the most popular cave in the game for casuals/solo players and it desperately needs more room in it to allow them the chance to level, because as it is they're just forced out.
Don't get put down by any of the feedback given here, keep coming up with cool ideas. Mir needs them.
Phew, what a bombshell to drop on us Jamie.
So, I am completely open to the idea of a rebirth system. Absolutely could work in Mir if done right, no issues there.
But this proposed system just isn't it. There are very few who have the means to get level 50, for a start. This is not something that the whole server can aim for. The pro's/con's are completely out of whack - I simply would not rebirth if I couldn't use suns, could give me triple my stats, still wouldn't be worth it in a game with stealth-sins.
I like the IDEAS behind it, like the extra features, the rebirth-only mobs etc. But I think you should focus on (for now) content that'll help the levels 40-50 first. Then find a way to entice people to level beyond 48, to want to keep going with the grind. Because it is a GRIND and the moment you start to understand/feel that, you lose interest.
I'd be down to go through what a healthy rebirth system would look like with you but it'd require a lot more time and effort than I can put into this current post.
What the game needs RIGHT NOW as in effectively immediately is a cave that rivals BDD, or a simple extension of BDD. There's a lot of doors to use here, it's the most popular cave in the game for casuals/solo players and it desperately needs more room in it to allow them the chance to level, because as it is they're just forced out.
Don't get put down by any of the feedback given here, keep coming up with cool ideas. Mir needs them.
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Your all pussy's, you've been farming same ****, same items, same area for 15+ years for the most of us, soon as jamie try's to do a massive unique change ( which could turn out ****ing amazing ) you all **** your pants and say it's a bad idea... I welcome this... but at 45-47 as the rebirth mark, no casual ever hitting 50 without paying someone to level them.. Obviously if it was between 45-47 rebirth reduce the perks you get accordingly.. think this is a sick idea though. Bored of playing the same old ****.. farm n pvp. Fave part: Mobs only rebirth can see
Your all pussy's, you've been farming same ****, same items, same area for 15+ years for the most of us, soon as jamie try's to do a massive unique change ( which could turn out ****ing amazing ) you all **** your pants and say it's a bad idea... I welcome this... but at 45-47 as the rebirth mark, no casual ever hitting 50 without paying someone to level them.. Obviously if it was between 45-47 rebirth reduce the perks you get accordingly.. think this is a sick idea though. Bored of playing the same old ****.. farm n pvp. Fave part: Mobs only rebirth can see
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
The upgrade is too slow for level 50. . . Oh, my God.GM you imitate Korean mir2 sheng?Do I think this system is still a vote?I think you still have to focus on the focus of the game not always let the player upgrade.For example, more activity, powerful boss, siege, PVP, etc.
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How about the siege and the PVP?The siege was fun.This game is a PK game.
The upgrade is too slow for level 50. . . Oh, my God.GM you imitate Korean mir2 sheng?Do I think this system is still a vote?I think you still have to focus on the focus of the game not always let the player upgrade.For example, more activity, powerful boss, siege, PVP, etc.
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How about the siege and the PVP?The siege was fun.This game is a PK game.
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Rebirth could work on here but it would need to be done very carefully. Too OP, and you're splitting the server. Too weak, nobody will do it.
Level 50 is deff out of reach for 90% of the server. Make it 47+ but after 47 all the exp you gain goes with you into your rebirth. Ex: Lkira will rebirth and take with him about 600mill exp. Hes gonna rocket to about level 45/46 again, but this guy is an animal and has always been well in front of everyone so he still deserves to be.
Exp - rebirths should level at 30% less exp, grouped or not.
No sun pots - how about a potion only rebirth people can use, with a cool down on it, like sun pots were supposed to be.
Perks - 10% drop, 10% gold, rebirth items / mob, 30% more hp / mp and chance of added items would be enough for me to consider doing it. Don't bring para / pros in, they ruin servers.
Rebirth could work on here but it would need to be done very carefully. Too OP, and you're splitting the server. Too weak, nobody will do it.
Level 50 is deff out of reach for 90% of the server. Make it 47+ but after 47 all the exp you gain goes with you into your rebirth. Ex: Lkira will rebirth and take with him about 600mill exp. Hes gonna rocket to about level 45/46 again, but this guy is an animal and has always been well in front of everyone so he still deserves to be.
Exp - rebirths should level at 30% less exp, grouped or not.
No sun pots - how about a potion only rebirth people can use, with a cool down on it, like sun pots were supposed to be.
Perks - 10% drop, 10% gold, rebirth items / mob, 30% more hp / mp and chance of added items would be enough for me to consider doing it. Don't bring para / pros in, they ruin servers.
- Feb 9, 2015
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Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
Lol
This is not a massive unique change, most servers that last over 3 months have a successful rebirth system, its just to early.
We have literally scratched the surface, not one lvl 47 weapon ingame, i imagine jamie has 49/50 kit n the pipeline, and new caves
Its a low/medium rate, just be patient
Lol
This is not a massive unique change, most servers that last over 3 months have a successful rebirth system, its just to early.
We have literally scratched the surface, not one lvl 47 weapon ingame, i imagine jamie has 49/50 kit n the pipeline, and new caves
Its a low/medium rate, just be patient
Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
I think rather than a rebirth system, could you not utilise Hum-UP?
Let users go into "ultimate mode" and give them a various selection of perks. Then when they die they loose hum-up, with a 4 hour cool down.
Requirements
Bonus
Penalties
I think rather than a rebirth system, could you not utilise Hum-UP?
Let users go into "ultimate mode" and give them a various selection of perks. Then when they die they loose hum-up, with a 4 hour cool down.
Requirements
- Level 45
- Not wearing equipment (only if just level 45)
- Cost
- 1mill
- 1mill EXP (guess I got no clue of exp at higher levels I'm only lvl 28!)
- 20 Legendary Frags
- 20 Mythical Frags
Bonus
- Rebirth Status/Effect.
- Increased Drop rate.
- Increased Added rate.
- Increased EXP rate. (promote solo levelling)
- ALL Base Stats are double. (HP, MP, Accuracy, Agility, AC, MAC, DC, MC, SC)
- Ultimate points
- Ultimate Skills - Para, Pro, Clear, Teleport - All costing off a new potion pool - only applicable on monsters.
- Hum-Up only drops.
- Hum-Up only items.
- Increased HP and MP Regeneration.
- Can use Town Teleport Scroll.
Penalties
- You cannot gain Experience in group (This includes Mentor)
- Hum-up mode lost on death (or on 2 deaths)
- Sun potions give 50%
- Teleports cost 2x as much.
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I think it is quite early in the game to be adding rebirth, more focus should be on the castle sieges or new caves/boss/ai. Only 1 person can currently rebirth, 90% of the server can join in castle sieges and new caves
IF you are going ahead with rebirths i would think something like below would make it worthwhile releveling and drop in the exp gain.
Requirements
Mechanics
Penalties
Bonuses
I think it is quite early in the game to be adding rebirth, more focus should be on the castle sieges or new caves/boss/ai. Only 1 person can currently rebirth, 90% of the server can join in castle sieges and new caves
IF you are going ahead with rebirths i would think something like below would make it worthwhile releveling and drop in the exp gain.
Requirements
- Level 50.
- Not wearing any equipment, (Items without requirements are fine, EG Candle)
- You cannot be a Mentor.
- Must not have rebirth status
- Cost
- total exp required to reach level 50. Any exp above level 50 is kept but with a 50% conversion cost, ie you delvel to level 1 and if you have 100m, you delevel with 50m exp, max exp to carry over will be the equivalent of reaching level 35, see below bonuses)
- 10 Million Gold.
Mechanics
- You will maintain all of you skills and their levels.
- You will not be able to use the skills until you meet the level 1 Requirement, Example, You can use Level 3 FlameSword at level 35 (Assuming it was level 3 before Rebirth).
Penalties
- You cannot be mentored or receive the 50% account levelling buff
- You have 20% reduced base experience rate.
- You lose half the current guild/group bonus exp (still encourages people to hunt with guildies)
Bonuses
- Rebirth Status/Effect.
- Increased Drop rate (15%)
- Increased Added rate. (10%)
- Rebirth leveling stats from level 30+. Similar to hermit in mir3, players can chose stats to add..
- Attack Stats (max only, ie 0-2)
- 1-3 Max DC/MC/SC (class specific) ,weight like 1=70% 2=25% 3=5% chance
- 2-4 Holy ,weight like 2=70% 3=25% 4=5% chance
- Defence stats (min and max, ie 3-3 AC and AMC)
- 2-4 AC and AMC weight like 2=70% 3=25% 4=5% chance
- 1-2 MR and PR weight like 1=80% 2=20%
- Life/Mana Stats, option of the below
- 2-5% increased MAX Health and Mana, weight like 2=60% 3=30% 4=8% 5=2% chance
- 1 life and mana regen per tick
- Attack Stats (max only, ie 0-2)
- Rebirth Orbs (similar to current event orbs but for rebirthed players only) Max 3 adds per item, works 100%. Only drops in high level caves, to rebirthed players, such as yims/behe/ghostBDD. Can craft an item to remove rebirth mods, wipes all mods (cost rebirth orbs and exp)
- Current system but with pool of adds limited to the above, but adding just 1 stat not a range like above
- Advanced Rebirth orb. Once an item has 3 stats, an advanced orb can be used to add a RANDOM mod from the below pool. Once an advanced orb is used the rebirth stats cannot be reset. Some stats are locked to class only (based on class of user apply orb) to prevent wrecking a good DC item with a MC mod
- 1 Aspeed or Slow or PA (sins/warriors only)
- 2 acc or agility (sins/warriors only)
- 2 MR or PR
- 3 max DC/MC/SC (based on class of users)
- 5 Holy (taos only)
- 2 min MC (wizz only)
- 5 Max AC or AMC
- 2 chances not to drop this item on death (only counts down if this item should of dropped)
- 5% increased drop
- 5% increase exp rate
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Re: Next Update: Rebirth System
There you go for my post on why I don't like it :P
I think a more balanced rebirth would be same requirements, but with none of the stat increases. And solo only XP increase to promote solo leveling, not force it. Item drop increase (10-25%?). Allow use of sunpots but remove TT scroll.
Basically peoples reasons to rebirth would be for the item drop increase, and the ability to use the rare rebirth charms / items. Also rebirth only visible mobs shouldn't be a common thing IMO, this is a type of instancing and doesn't really have a place in Mir. However, what could be cool IMO is if these rebirth only visible mobs were to be done in such a way that: Whenever someone kills a boss, it spawns (or has a chance to spawn) a the "soul" of that boss that only rebirths can see. Could be interesting.
But I'd still rather not have rebirthing added at all.
Why not real content?
There you go for my post on why I don't like it :P
I think a more balanced rebirth would be same requirements, but with none of the stat increases. And solo only XP increase to promote solo leveling, not force it. Item drop increase (10-25%?). Allow use of sunpots but remove TT scroll.
Basically peoples reasons to rebirth would be for the item drop increase, and the ability to use the rare rebirth charms / items. Also rebirth only visible mobs shouldn't be a common thing IMO, this is a type of instancing and doesn't really have a place in Mir. However, what could be cool IMO is if these rebirth only visible mobs were to be done in such a way that: Whenever someone kills a boss, it spawns (or has a chance to spawn) a the "soul" of that boss that only rebirths can see. Could be interesting.
But I'd still rather not have rebirthing added at all.
Why not real content?