Important Reboot today at 1:30PM - various balance changes

[Azz]

After the reboot will the cooldown after rage/pro be removed again? That was working but after the reboot it was removed.

Thanks

 

[ILovePie:D]

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Server has only been up 13 months. Keep going though, I'm sure one day someone will take you seriously.

His post says almost 14 months.

Also, how long was the testing prior to the server being open to people? I'm sure the sins would have been bugged then too.

 

[MiloFoxburr]

After the reboot will the cooldown after rage/pro be removed again? That was working but after the reboot it was removed.

Thanks

The Magic Delay change will stay reverted for now so it'll be the same. That change was causing disconnections for users so needs more tweaking before it can be implemented again

 

[Azz]

The Magic Delay change will stay reverted for now so it'll be the same. That change was causing disconnections for users so needs more tweaking before it can be implemented again

Ok thanks

 

[squall777]

Lets do some basic maths.
If Flame Field can hit 4-500 damage (like it did prior to the nerf) and it can hit 24 enemies per cast.
400 x 24 = 9600
500 x 24 = 12000

so FF can do 9600-12000 per cast.

Granted with your pathetic kit you probably only did around 220 per FF
so 220 x 24 = 5280 damage.
That is still considerably higher than any other call can even hope to output.

the next would be Archers using Piercing shot for 210 vs 9-10 mobs if they stay lined up. 2100 damage.
or a warrior - CHM 8 mobs at 120(top end?) 960 damage.
or a tao - lol lets not bother.
Sin - 400ish top end in one cast. vs 1 mob.

AOE should deal LESS damage per mob that single target attacks the benefit of AOE is that it hits and area with effect,, multiplying the damage output considerably.

move along bud, when you finish your A, B, C's and 1, 2, 3 come at me again.

Again i dont really care about chronicles balance but the number you are using even though they are accurate at a guess they are very situational and a very easy way to lie. According to your example i would guess blade avalance is the strongest warrior spell?

Just imagine discussing the power of Firewall and someone posts:
5 mobs moving every half second getting 70dmg for 2minutes=84000dmg per cast.

 

[Razarus]

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Server has only been up 13 months. Keep going though, I'm sure one day someone will take you seriously.

8 days off 14 months aren't we?
You seem to be taking me very seriously, cant help but reply and offer me negative feedback, not the signs of someone who doesn't care.
You have just been drop kicked, how will you respond?

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Again i dont really care about chronicles balance but the number you are using even though they are accurate at a guess they are very situational and a very easy way to lie. According to your example i would guess blade avalance is the strongest warrior spell?

Just imagine discussing the power of Firewall and someone posts:
5 mobs moving every half second getting 70dmg for 2minutes=84000dmg per cast.

If we are talking about damage over time then yes you would combine x amount of movement through firewall damage at x per step vs a warriors x attacks per second dealing x damage per swing vs a sins x attacks per second dealing x damage per swing.

I'm more than happy do discuss that if you want to?


Wizards complaints are that they are only doing 90 damage with FF - that is still a potential 2160 damage from 1 cast. higher than what any other class can do from 1 cast.

 

[GimmeAKitKat]

@Razarus - were you ingame yesterday? Regardless of the fix sins needed on their animation, you cant honestly be saying you think the speed sins are at is correct? Shop gear sins are flooring people all over the place. They need to be quicker than they were, but whatever speed their at now seems a hell of a lot quicker than speed 8, and its simply too fast, even without the flinchlock.

@ICON - appreciate some things for warr's need looking at, SD as with SS could do with a couple seconds adding to the cooldown, but it is completely useless using BadBoy as the warrior standard. Be it his ping/speed or whatever, he hits harder and more consistently in pretty much everyone iv spoken to's experience than even better kitted warriors. Yes iv seen him 1 hit high lvl's through shields and seemingly from off screen, he's even flattened warriors in better kit and similar lvl before they even get a swing in, but he is no where near the standard for even good geared warriors.

Half the problems this server comes to are because everyone looks to balance using the top 1-2% of each class, all this does is **** up the other 98%.

Again for the server team, I fail to understand how **** like this happens, unless you are actually doing no testing at all. That change to sins and warriors took the whole server 15 seconds to test and say "yeh...its ****ed", and this seems to happen every time something changes. This isn't something caused by stress, number of users or the fact you could only do so much testing in the time available. Any sin and warrior with half a brain cell could see instantly that fix was way off.

 

[Tai]

His post says almost 14 months.

Also, how long was the testing prior to the server being open to people? I'm sure the sins would have been bugged then too.

Hi you must be Razarus' babysitter. Does that mean you'll be the one cleaning up his soiled nappy now? His post and all his previous posts say 15 months. Even "almost 14 months" is a subtle way of rounding up the actual figure of 13. Yawn

8 days off 14 months aren't we?
You seem to be taking me very seriously, cant help but reply and offer me negative feedback, not the signs of someone who doesn't care.
You have just been drop kicked, how will you respond?

See above. Your posts in this thread no longer offer anything but spam. There is no discussion left to have; I pointed out that all of your arguments are based on exaggerated "statistics" and you proved me right. ggwp. Don't address me without consent again, peasant.

 

[squall777]

Yes but you have to take into account even tho like u said FF is an aoe spell its not like they ever had a stronger single dmg so FF is the one used in pvp as well with its risks and w/e else. So if thats their main pvp spell for single damage then yes their moan is a bit justified. After all from what i read MS and blizz were the spells that were a bit fuked pvp wise so thats what the server team should look into.

This server will never be balanced or close to balanced simply because of server team's mindset. They are trying to clone euro which was one of the most unbalanced servers ever and whatever balance it had was based on pro and para rings that dropped off hens.

 

[ILovePie:D]

Again i dont really care about chronicles balance but the number you are using even though they are accurate at a guess they are very situational and a very easy way to lie. According to your example i would guess blade avalance is the strongest warrior spell?

Just imagine discussing the power of Firewall and someone posts:
5 mobs moving every half second getting 70dmg for 2minutes=84000dmg per cast.

FF isn't very situational for it's typical usage. I say that, you do see some idiots FFing 1 mob at a time, probably because it's their highest hitting single target spell.

FF is perfect for killing a lure of mobs, where it can hit it's maximum potential. A wiz hitting 24 mobs at a time isn't unheard of, infact it's common practise.

The fact FF hits for 400+ on a single target is crazy. It requires no skill to target anyone. You can cast it whilst in your bubble taking no damage.

FF shouldn't be as powerful as it is. If you have 2 wizards standing together using the skill, it would take out anyone who came close.

Blizzard shouldn't hit as hard as it does, it's a slowing spell.

Met strike is the damage dealing spell for AOE. Thus being rooted for a long time. Though the animation needs to be sorted for off screen

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Yes but you have to take into account even tho like u said FF is an aoe spell its not like they ever had a stronger single dmg so FF is the one used in pvp as well with its risks and w/e else. So if thats their main pvp spell for single damage then yes their moan is a bit justified. After all from what i read MS and blizz were the spells that were a bit fuked pvp wise so thats what the server team should look into.

This server will never be balanced or close to balanced simply because of server team's mindset. They are trying to clone euro which was one of the most unbalanced servers ever and whatever balance it had was based on pro and para rings that dropped off hens.

Then they should be asking for a single target spell to hit harder, ie flame disrupter? This requires some skill to aim onto a person instead of just running in and holding down one key.

 

[HarryH]

Assassins were speed 6 before, with warriors capped at speed 7. The changes in the reboot made assassins actually hit speed 8.

 

[Razarus]

"almost 14 months" is a subtle way of rounding up the actual figure of 13. Yawn
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Would you not say that using the "actual figure of 13" that is actually a rounded down figure would not also put you in the same position?
hypocrite just got choke slammed..

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@Razarus - were you ingame yesterday? Regardless of the fix sins needed on their animation, you cant honestly be saying you think the speed sins are at is correct? Shop gear sins are flooring people all over the place. They need to be quicker than they were, but whatever speed their at now seems a hell of a lot quicker than speed 8, and its simply too fast, even without the flinchlock.

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Only briefly bud, and yes it "looked fast" but is that only because we have been used to going really slow?
if it was a true 8 as harry has stated it was, then is that not correct?
If its does prove to be "too fast" then maybe aspeed 8 shouldnt be achievable instead of just making 8 not be 8..

 

[Clintus2]

Thank you for putting FF Back. it is only "OP" if you are a uber high Wizz with amazing kit, if, like myself and most players, you have an average kit at around lvl 46-8 then 400DMG is a dream not a reality.

 

[muffinpie]

Technically 13 months and 21 days days is closer to 14 months than it is 13, why are you rounding things down for your own benefit Tai?

 

[Tai]

Technically 13 months and 21 days days is closer to 14 months than it is 13, why are you rounding things down for your own benefit Tai?

Because technically 13 months is closer to 13 months 21 days than 15 is.

 

[CantTouchThis]

As much as all this is flattering, unless you can actually provide examples ozzie its a bit pointless. To my knowledge, ive not 1 hit any high level wizzies through shield recently. Trust me, id remember. And which better kitted warriors have i floored recently? Genuinely curious as again i'd remember this.

 

[NewHope]

Damage for PVP should be calculated differently than PVE... would sort so many potential 'OP' issues out.

You could finally give a wizard a high single target dps spell versus mobs...
You could balance FF PVP/PVE...
There is about 100 other examples, but i'm a wizard so i'm only listing the ones that would benefit me.

 

[Corbu]

FF isn't very situational for it's typical usage. I say that, you do see some idiots FFing 1 mob at a time, probably because it's their highest hitting single target spell.

FF is perfect for killing a lure of mobs, where it can hit it's maximum potential. A wiz hitting 24 mobs at a time isn't unheard of, infact it's common practise.

The fact FF hits for 400+ on a single target is crazy. It requires no skill to target anyone. You can cast it whilst in your bubble taking no damage.

FF shouldn't be as powerful as it is. If you have 2 wizards standing together using the skill, it would take out anyone who came close.

Blizzard shouldn't hit as hard as it does, it's a slowing spell.

Met strike is the damage dealing spell for AOE. Thus being rooted for a long time. Though the animation needs to be sorted for off screen

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Then they should be asking for a single target spell to hit harder, ie flame disrupter? This requires some skill to aim onto a person instead of just running in and holding down one key.

How is BackStab it is not OP 1 hiting ppl ??? u fking bellend u only cry cos u jump on wiz and thei cast Blizz on them and un TT(die) u daft****

 

[Koriban]

^ Heads gone.

The way to fix that Clintus is to boost its base damage and reduce it's scaling, meaning lower wizzies aren't punished but also stops it from being their highest single target spell.

 

[Razarus]

How is BackStab it is not OP 1 hiting ppl ??? u fking bellend u only cry cos u jump on wiz and thei cast Blizz on them and un TT(die) u daft****

BackStab is not even ingame, what are you talking about?