Recieved word from my domain provider
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well ok... so anything with mir2 on it means it's copyright i no that but how did Mir2 find out about these if there takin power over these private server's that mean's all the big private server's gonna get sued or sumat? because alot of the server make alot of money but they do host and it cost's money. but how can they sue us if we didnt get the files from them but got them from a different company.
Scorp wasnt u a GM of Euro in beta?? that's what i thought u got ur files from tbh :P anyway m8 gl m8and i hope ucan solve it out and keepur server at the same time
Scorp wasnt u a GM of Euro in beta?? that's what i thought u got ur files from tbh :P anyway m8 gl m8and i hope ucan solve it out and keepur server at the same time
lol Mental, I am? 
Fair enough. Only bothered readin Scorp's initial post.
And afaik Scorp has never been a gm on euro lol. (correct me if im wrong here). He was hosting p69 offline for a while n then put it online with 2 or 3 gm's and a tiny userbase as a play around idea. Its just grown enormously since then.
Fair enough. Only bothered readin Scorp's initial post.And afaik Scorp has never been a gm on euro lol. (correct me if im wrong here). He was hosting p69 offline for a while n then put it online with 2 or 3 gm's and a tiny userbase as a play around idea. Its just grown enormously since then.
BabyBear said:
SO instead of being an asshole you could of replied, "i've had babybear long before euro mir even existed." then stopped there was no need for:
Also, usually reffers to a previous time. Smarty.
Now please sh, its off topic and I don't feel like wasting my time. Clearly, I'm just too cool for you.
NickAKAVexus said:
since when did you become cool?
i thought blam was the only cool one around here and you going well off topic about 1 stupid name >.< bit lame so back on topic scorp youv had many threats against p69 now isnt it becoming a joke? perhaps if u did get rid of the domain name as i can see where they are comin from this wouldnt be an issue i cant see why other server owners have not been contacted and why p69 has been massivly aimed at and as said on a different page surly if they have contacted ur host they have your details so why wouldnt they send you a letter in the post the be much blunter this could be another silly prank.... u never know not saying it is but it wouldnt be that hard for some 1 that knew what they are doing to find out what company you are useing contacting htem pretending the be gn and telling them you need to e-mail them it does sound abit fishy but anyhow surly they wouldnt say close the whole thing down? perhaps get rid of the client links and website and get senture or some 1 to mirror them and get a new domain name they cant really do much then! anyway i dont rly no wot im chattin about so im gonna leave it here as im the coolest on this forum tara :thirsty:
NickAKAVexus said:
You wouldn't have been forced to waste your time if you didn't bring it up in the first place. Its completely irrelevant to this topic. If you seen it to be completely necessary to bring up you could have simply pmed him rather than having an argument over 2 ****ing pages of this thread.
NickAKAVexus said:
Didn't know this was a literacy contest, i thought it was an arguement about my name? "Also" can be used in that context aswell, but thats irrelivent.
There was also no need to accuse me of copying someones name was there, but you felt the need to.
Clearly, you are way to cool for me, but your still wrong.
MentaL said:nobody is as cool as the mighty Welsh sex beast named MentaL.
Husky ftw, that dog is cool.
Cant argue with that one >.>MentaL said:nobody is as cool as the mighty Welsh sex beast named MentaL.
Zidio said:since when did you become cool?
tara :thirsty:
Did you even read this thread at all you..moron
Zidio said:since when did you become cool?
tara :thirsty:
Since when did you hack Zidio's account?
- Jul 4, 2003
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Its illegal to create free software to work with Commercial porducts. Why wont people understand that, Emulators are illegal. Nintendo have won loads of cases on the matter, even though people claim the "24 hours rule" and "Its not illegal if you own the game" protects them.
Now some smart person will say "but atomicide you idioth, ths dosent apply here" Good point you clever person you, it doesnt hold much against the MMORPG industry. However the case of Blizzard vs BNETD does apply here. The case final ruling was the one i stated above, and Blizzard succesfully alunched and won legal action against the developers of BNETD.
This was despite the fact that blizzards BNET system was free anyway, so there was no loss of profit to blizzard. They closed the BNTED down because it was deemed copyright infringement.
The simple fact is, your emulators, allow the legend of mir client to run somewhere else other than the official legend of mir servers. You cant claim running it on just your computer is legal, because it isnt, you cant claim running it for just you and some friends is legal, because is isnt.
The fact your running it for free means **** all, and dont kid yourselves that GN cant sue you, take action, because they can.
WeMade - can sue you for loss of profit, and for copyright infringement. becuase your lowering the desirability of their licences as potential buyers realise people can run illegal copies, and your using their property to enable it.
Game Network - can sue you because they're losing profit from people paying private servers. The actual chance of them being awarded a cash settlement is negligible, but they will more than likely be succesful in shutting you down.
The only flaws you can pick in my arguement are the fact that Emulated software may not be illegal in all forms, but in terms of running online servers for games, well a case has already been disputed and won, and the results were on the favour of the copyright owner.
Now some smart person will say "but atomicide you idioth, ths dosent apply here" Good point you clever person you, it doesnt hold much against the MMORPG industry. However the case of Blizzard vs BNETD does apply here. The case final ruling was the one i stated above, and Blizzard succesfully alunched and won legal action against the developers of BNETD.
This was despite the fact that blizzards BNET system was free anyway, so there was no loss of profit to blizzard. They closed the BNTED down because it was deemed copyright infringement.
The simple fact is, your emulators, allow the legend of mir client to run somewhere else other than the official legend of mir servers. You cant claim running it on just your computer is legal, because it isnt, you cant claim running it for just you and some friends is legal, because is isnt.
The fact your running it for free means **** all, and dont kid yourselves that GN cant sue you, take action, because they can.
WeMade - can sue you for loss of profit, and for copyright infringement. becuase your lowering the desirability of their licences as potential buyers realise people can run illegal copies, and your using their property to enable it.
Game Network - can sue you because they're losing profit from people paying private servers. The actual chance of them being awarded a cash settlement is negligible, but they will more than likely be succesful in shutting you down.
The only flaws you can pick in my arguement are the fact that Emulated software may not be illegal in all forms, but in terms of running online servers for games, well a case has already been disputed and won, and the results were on the favour of the copyright owner.
Dataforce said:
I dont think he will be replying to that just yet. :P
Huskys are class dogs though
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A Few thoughts:
L2J Still to this day runs and gets developed, people run servers and Ive not heard anything from NCSoft trying to close people down anytime soon. How does Mir sit at present in the Current year of 2006? Is the biggest threat private server which are well behind the real thing or other companies also writing more upto date amd better games. Did Mir3 not fall by the way side as they could not make enough money until it was picked up by GN.
If I made a web site using Images from Wemade - will they run about trying to close me down, does this mean all Fan Sites are also Illegal? Euromir in fact had a chat with my Webhost last year i think it was about using There images, it was easy to just change these and no further was said on the matter.
We have what, 750+ Active members on here, so the interest in Mir as a whole is pretty low. Ask yourself this, if you owned and ran Mir to make money, would you chase down a Private server with like 20 people online? Would you go to all the trouble to file lawsuits etc when all that can happen is another 10 people will jump into that Void and run the same thing.
I have seen L2J and WoWEmu servers with like 1500+ on there, what about the chinese, they probably have more people on there private servers then GN has for Mir3 & Mir2 combined - yet these are above the law?
Unless I got a Cease & Desist Order then personally I would brush it aside - it is now Past monday so what have I missed, Is Scorp in Jail yet?
L2J Still to this day runs and gets developed, people run servers and Ive not heard anything from NCSoft trying to close people down anytime soon. How does Mir sit at present in the Current year of 2006? Is the biggest threat private server which are well behind the real thing or other companies also writing more upto date amd better games. Did Mir3 not fall by the way side as they could not make enough money until it was picked up by GN.
If I made a web site using Images from Wemade - will they run about trying to close me down, does this mean all Fan Sites are also Illegal? Euromir in fact had a chat with my Webhost last year i think it was about using There images, it was easy to just change these and no further was said on the matter.
We have what, 750+ Active members on here, so the interest in Mir as a whole is pretty low. Ask yourself this, if you owned and ran Mir to make money, would you chase down a Private server with like 20 people online? Would you go to all the trouble to file lawsuits etc when all that can happen is another 10 people will jump into that Void and run the same thing.
I have seen L2J and WoWEmu servers with like 1500+ on there, what about the chinese, they probably have more people on there private servers then GN has for Mir3 & Mir2 combined - yet these are above the law?
Unless I got a Cease & Desist Order then personally I would brush it aside - it is now Past monday so what have I missed, Is Scorp in Jail yet?
Atomicide said:
REALLY? So, by your definition the IE Google toolbar is in violation, as is MessengerPlus, Adobe Acrobat Viewer IE plugin, so on and so forth. Your also saying that Samba (linux software for windows networking interoperability) is illegal, as is any software that uses any form of API in its native environment. Also note that HARDWARE emulation is not illegal as you say. Nintento has NOT WON ONE case. It has however won cases against illegal ROM distribution. See cases involving Sega v Connectix and Sony v Bleem!.
Atomicide said:
See the stickied thread in this very forum. Blizzard's case was not about copyright infringement, but key circumvention. Which it rightly won.
Atomicide said:
Running the client on non-authorised servers is illegal yes. This is ONLY because of the EULA you agree to during install. Modifying the client is also illegal, altho I'm not sure if this is because of copyright or EULA, its matterless. With L2J this modification was achieved through the alteration of the windows HOSTS files, thus bypassing the need to modify the client. Using an emulated client with no use of wemades IP (maps, images, etc) is however, perfectly legal.
Atomicide said:
This only applies to 1.4 servers, or 1.9 servers whom distribute a non-emulated client alongside other IP (all servers do it lol :/). WEMADE have specifically said to one developer here that they are free to make ther emulator as long as nothing of wemades is used or distributed.
Atomicide said:
The premise of lost profit is not enough for action on its own. Other factors must be involved, such as copyright/trademark infrigement. Indeed the current bat of 1.4/1.9 servers could be shut down in this way. However DiamondM2/GameOfMir/etc would be a lot more difficult if they are branded differently.
Atomicide said:
They have? Please by all means direct me to such a case. Perhaps you'd fancy a gander at the L2J servers for Lineage 2 peeps? I think you'll be substantially surprised.
/Leo