[Suggestions] the real issues with warriors?

[d1craig]

All this AOE nonsense is stupid. Warriors shouldn't BA their way to level may as well give them T Storm & FF, and personally i think Samuel is a fool to think this is a way to level and anybody else who agrees with him. BA is good to get mobs off another player, or a bit of crowd control... not to level with. Warriors need to regain their purpose... to take the brute force of monsters head on for tao's & wizzies.

Yes but in this day and age warriors are just going to drop off and end up so far behind. BA is good for what you said an not good for killin that's why Samuel is thinking about tweaking it so it is good at aoe killing.

On previous servers I've played warriors would aoe level just using CHM. Every server I've played that has CHM I haven't seen any warrior with the skill 1v1 level instead of AoE.

 

[WhiteTiger]

Learn to read, I said I saw the SFB hit me mid SD (so let me go into this for your thick skull, mid SD means during, in the middle of, whilst the action is being preformed.) So once again in the middle of my SD (let's say I go 5 squares, I had covered 2-3 squares) and seen the SFB hit me but I only flinched after the SD was finished. So this "You can't hit a warrior during SD" comment is bullshit, I got hit 3 times during different SDs only to be flinched at the end of it. I call that a hit.

I don't ever recall on any other server where if during my SD I was hit it would flinch me afterwards because well this would mean YOU COULD NOT SHOULDERDASH THROUGH FIREWALL. Being hit on the run with single target spells is annoying, getting hit during a SD is ****ing bullshit! Before or afterwards yeah but during? Nah...

I can read perfectly well. I think your just lying. That wouldn't happen you must be mistaken. Mr I don't conform to social media because im an ugly goth.

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I for one don't really like the idea of needed to AOE on a warrior, but we will see what kind of solution comes up.

Just as an example, rough calculation shows the highest tao+the highest wiz have as much combined exp as the highest 8-9 warriors on the server. (this is according to ranking + euromirresource), the ration continues if u take the top 4 then it works out to 18-20 warriors etc. Top 10 wiz are equivalent to the combined total of the top 47 warriors.

You cant take those figures into account because you don't know how long those players have played. You don't know where each person has hunted. Who each person has lvld with. Its stupid to bring up that point.

 

[Male]

You cant take those figures into account because you don't know how long those players have played. You don't know where each person has hunted. Who each person has lvld with. Its stupid to bring up that point.

Perfect point, top 20 on server has 3 Tao's 4 war's the rest are wizzards the only linking i know of in this is Wildgirl and Violet at the top who level hand in hand so all it shows is that a pair leveling level fast than tho's alone really.

To many people are trying to compair people and welled geared examples of a class, thats not showing balance its no shock a wizzard with 100mc will level faster then a wizzard with 80mc we need to compair all three classes of equal gear level in the same area to really get an understanding of how diffrent the leveling speed is, tho this again will not really show its true face as a Tao might do twice the amount of exp leveling in a lower level area but just killing fast then say a wizzard in a higher level area killing less but for more exp a time.

 

[deano13]

I can read perfectly well. I think your just lying. That wouldn't happen you must be mistaken. Mr I don't conform to social media because im an ugly goth.

Oh no he didn't! WT went in!

 

[Foopah]

I can read perfectly well. I think your just lying. That wouldn't happen you must be mistaken. Mr I don't conform to social media because im an ugly goth.

Well why not go do some tests then? See if a single target spell can hit you during a SD. Prove me wrong, don't just try and provoke a reaction out of me.

 

[WhiteTiger]

Well why not go do some tests then? See if a single target spell can hit you during a SD. Prove me wrong, don't just try and provoke a reaction out of me.

Well at the moment im at work pal. I will test this just for you when I get home hows about that? Put that razor blade away buddy

 

[ziiid]

I can read perfectly well. I think your just lying. That wouldn't happen you must be mistaken. Mr I don't conform to social media because im an ugly goth.

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You cant take those figures into account because you don't know how long those players have played. You don't know where each person has hunted. Who each person has lvld with. Its stupid to bring up that point.

Because the trend follows as the sample increases it becomes increasingly statistically significant and thus not due to the outliers(those who level significantly more than the average). This is why I included the last bit about the top 10 wiz compared to the top 47 warriors.

 

[mStation]

just out of curiosity,

i haven't played warrior for ages.. is the class still a good tanker or not?

because as far as i know tanks are suppose to get damage leaving other classes do the killing.. this at the end of the day leads to having other classes stronger under the POV of damage which at the same time means leveling quicker..

suppose it's somehow normal. Wiz has always lvled quickier than war, at least when i used to play war back in 2.3

 

[Skyline]

just out of curiosity,

i haven't played warrior for ages.. is the class still a good tanker or not?

because as far as i know tanks are suppose to get damage leaving other classes do the killing.. this at the end of the day leads to having other classes stronger under the POV of damage which at the same time means leveling quicker..

suppose it's somehow normal. Wiz has always lvled quickier than war, at least when i used to play war back in 2.3

Not really to be honest, we kinda just get raped in a lot of places if we try and lure. It's ok i nthe places like BDD but try it in Orc ect and you need to pot like mad/get lots of heals.

 

[FROZEN5]

This is what happens when you change something as drastic as a wizards cast rate. You are left with the task of balancing all the other classes. This will no doubt be the case with sins also... I really don't see this getting balanced, anything done will only serve to cause an imbalance elsewhere but lets see what happens... I think people don't seem to understand how much time goes into balancing classes in MMO's ...

 

[Kai]

You cant take those figures into account because you don't know how long those players have played. You don't know where each person has hunted. Who each person has lvld with. Its stupid to bring up that point.

You are forgetting that everyone is competitive and warriors are no exception. Warriors are here talking about things because they aren't happy with it.... The amount of exp gained by wizards is exceptionally high compared to warriors and trying to say something like 'all wizards play more than warriors' is just......silly.

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This is what happens when you change something as drastic as a wizards cast rate. You are left with the task of balancing all the other classes. This will no doubt be the case with sins also... I really don't see this getting balanced, anything done will only serve to cause an imbalance elsewhere but lets see what happens... I think people don't seem to understand how much time goes into balancing classes in MMO's ...

Its true that it takes alot of effort, but I don't think that its wasted effort. Mir has needed some balancing love forever and now there are people interested in putting time in. The reaches of the casting increase were not understood no, but we are discussing things on the forum now to make it better.

 

[Jelly]

Learn to read, I said I saw the SFB hit me mid SD (so let me go into this for your thick skull, mid SD means during, in the middle of, whilst the action is being preformed.) So once again in the middle of my SD (let's say I go 5 squares, I had covered 2-3 squares) and seen the SFB hit me but I only flinched after the SD was finished. So this "You can't hit a warrior during SD" comment is bullshit, I got hit 3 times during different SDs only to be flinched at the end of it. I call that a hit.

I don't ever recall on any other server where if during my SD I was hit it would flinch me afterwards because well this would mean YOU COULD NOT SHOULDERDASH THROUGH FIREWALL. Being hit on the run with single target spells is annoying, getting hit during a SD is ****ing bullshit! Before or afterwards yeah but during? Nah...

All commands to your char, are delivered through your own comp and internet service provider, as we all know this can suffer latency, i find it hard to believe you've never had this this problem before, even with a sound comp and the latest gear and fast connection, its a common one. However i do understand what your saying, commands to your char and mobs are given in script form, so therefore you can not receive a hit if at the the same time your dealing one( 2 different lines of command). warriors of old would stand in a corner after luring a room full of mobs, enlist the help of half moon and cover the 5 squares of mobs , with min damage, however casting spells, seem t operate on another level, its the same as wizzies not being able to take out maggots and bats in the same hitting spell as standing mobs, so i think it kinda evens out : )

 

[czeldabolg]

You are forgetting that everyone is competitive and warriors are no exception. Warriors are here talking about things because they aren't happy with it.... The amount of exp gained by wizards is exceptionally high compared to warriors and trying to say something like 'all wizards play more than warriors' is just......silly.

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Its true that it takes alot of effort, but I don't think that its wasted effort. Mir has needed some balancing love forever and now there are people interested in putting time in. The reaches of the casting increase were not understood no, but we are discussing things on the forum now to make it better.

Again they're not re-creating a game, they're just going to do small tweaks, they're not going to redesign a class. Warriors will still be behind wizards, that'll never change, just to say. It just came across to me you were expecting mass changes.

 

[Jelly]

We seem to have got to use to to Mir 3 and the full ability to solo Mir. Mir was never designed to be solo, its a grp effort, and by comparing every class, and its ability to solo you go further from the original. Yes i like solo play im a wiz in nature, yet i need a good tao using all blessings, and a war to take hits, from my very pretty night gown pretending to be armour, and my super low health, but that's the Original Mir its like marmite, you either love it or hate it : )

 

[deano13]

Hopefully sams had a read through and taken some ideas, where just have to see what happens in 2moros reboot I spose

 

[Hoody]

With that being said how about a 'Parry' type buff for warriors which increases the chance to avoid single target magic attacks?

What, you mean MR? :P

 

[Rollcage]

Stop moaning, warrs are fine, just a bit slow on the lvling side.

 

[ziiid]

Stop moaning, warrs are fine, just a bit slow on the lvling side.

There not really fine, definitely very slow lvling wise, cast speed+locking is an issue aswell.

 

[Reverance]

There not really fine, definitely very slow lvling wise, cast speed+locking is an issue aswell.

Still a damn site faster than Taos levelling wise.

 

[deano13]

Still a damn site faster than Taos levelling wise.

Find that hard to believe being the highest class on game is a Tao, and there alot more higher lvl Taos then wars in the ranking.