The future of sun bundles...

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SunBundles... Should they stay or should they go... now...

  • Keep the sunniest of bundles

    Votes: 41 39.8%
  • Remove the little buggers

    Votes: 62 60.2%

  • Total voters
    103

kickey

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I think you missed my point, I'm not saying make old stuff harder.. I'm saying game mechanics such as sun bundles, holy pots and luck weapons means you just 1 man anything.

That's true, but only for 5-10% of the server, there's alot of people would have no chance soloing collo, frozen...even zt..

Imo its just server progression...happens on every server, the hard stuff gets easy.

Look how easy hell cave is now compared to 6 months ago.

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I think you misunderstand the way a poll works....

I don't think i have, its not an election poll....

I don't think they'll be removed on a 60/40 vote.

That's not to say that they 100% will not be removing... just saying i DON'T THINK they will be.
 

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That's true, but only for 5-10% of the server, there's alot of people would have no chance soloing collo, frozen...even zt..

Imo its just server progression...happens on every server, the hard stuff gets easy.

Look how easy hell cave is now compared to 6 months ago.

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I don't think i have, its not an election poll....

I don't think they'll be removed on a 60/40 vote.

That's not to say that they 100% will not be removing... just saying i DON'T THINK they will be.

which is why buffing bosses is a bad idea in my opinion, it means lower quality characters will never be able to experience some bosses. Removing sun bundles (mostly carried by the top 20% in bulk) will level out the playing field and get more people involved for bosses.
 

kickey

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I think Kickey misunderstands the way a lot of things work....

Sore about AHK?

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which is why buffing bosses is a bad idea in my opinion, it means lower quality characters will never be able to experience some bosses. Removing sun bundles (mostly carried by the top 20% in bulk) will level out the playing field and get more people involved for bosses.

Whatever can be soloed atm can be easily killed with 2 ppl, with only using a handful of suns

It will get more people involved but only 1 more, 2 max .
 

Doug

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Remove bundles
Remove delay
Revert demon king to its original strength
Make evil mir drop better
 

GimmeAKitKat

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I would remove bundles but leave the delay in place.

I really don't see how anybody not using the scripts could want the delay removing until there's a way to combat it.

People can easily carry 20-25 loose suns in their bag, and it takes 2 minutes to get them. Take out the delay and Scripts run riot again. Removing the delay without another solution just hands cheaters another advantage.

Town fights will be ****ed completely, as people can just use up their 20 suns killing numerous non-cheaters then restock.

In caves its still a massive advantage to the cheaters, as they still don't have to worry about actually pressing buttons. Non-cheaters have to actively focus on their hp, and take time away from movement or attacking to use a sun, cheaters wont.

People forget that half of all fights are won simply because one person backs down first. First person to worry about their hp will usually start worrying about getting away, stop attacking, stop flinching their opponent and quickly be overrun and killed. With scripts in place, even with only 20 suns available, its almost always going to be the cheater.

In my opinion, taking the delay away (without a proper solution) when the whole server knows that scripts are not only possible but piss easy to get and use will kill the server, as nobody anywhere will die or lose an item without claiming it was due to scripts that are being allowed to flourish by the server team. If staff think they have it hard now, wait till that floodgate opens.
 

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Mate - I struggle to balance things on my F Keys to afk level skills.

No way am I capable of writing scripts on AHK.

Don't then, its 2 minutes to write for someone who can, then you simply copy n paste.

Why is it Team (among a few others) seem determined to make scripts sound like the hardest thing you could possibly do, when they simply aren't. The implication is perhaps unfortunate but unavoidable when certain groups seem overly determined to give AHK/scripting an even bigger advantage than it currently still has.
 

CrazyBear...

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Don't then, its 2 minutes to write for someone who can, then you simply copy n paste.

Why is it Team (among a few others) seem determined to make scripts sound like the hardest thing you could possibly do, when they simply aren't. The implication is perhaps unfortunate but unavoidable when certain groups seem overly determined to give AHK/scripting an even bigger advantage than it currently still has.

Ozzie, why do you feel the need to bring Team into this? Silencer simply said he could not write an AHK script, he probaly has no interest in doing so, how many more false accusations are you going to throw around? Have you not had enough humble pie after the "maggot infestation" thread where you were made to look nothing more than a fool? Muh exposed the type of person you are, if something isn't going your way, there is always some sort of underhand tactics going on to make up for your own shortcomings.
 
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Don't then, its 2 minutes to write for someone who can, then you simply copy n paste.

Why is it Team (among a few others) seem determined to make scripts sound like the hardest thing you could possibly do, when they simply aren't. The implication is perhaps unfortunate but unavoidable when certain groups seem overly determined to give AHK/scripting an even bigger advantage than it currently still has.

I would not choose to use one if it were available, I never use speed enhancement software, I do not use scripts either.

I play Mir for fun, not to be the greatest.

I know some people use the game as a way to compensate for their 'lack ofs' in the real world, I do not.

I think it is time you had a break.

As Crazy said, you constantly sit on your pedestal throwing wild accusations about to make yourself look better - then when you are, inevitably, proven wrong; you just go into a state of denial.
 

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Sam why didn't you enable the 'Who voted what' option, that information would have been valuable imo, if you catch my drift
 

CantTouchThis

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Removing bundles AND keeping the delay in would be daft.

In all seriousness, how many people were/are actually using scripts? I'd say it's probably a very small number of people. I can't help but feel this has been blown massively out of proportion due to rumours and people getting confused between an 'auto sun pot script' and the script that meant you could sunny whilst holding shift by deactivating the chat bar that a couple of people admitted to using.

Also, scripts can still be used even with the delay, to the point where the user can sunny at EXACTLY 1 second intervals i suspect, whereas from what I understand a lot of 'normal' players currently try to spam them, realise they can't and end up actually sunny less frequently that the 1 second delay allows.
 

kickey

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Mate - I struggle to balance things on my F Keys to afk level skills.

No way am I capable of writing scripts on AHK.

I was referring to the fact you denied up and down for 2 days that an ahk could be used to auto tt / rt , that it wasn't possible...


**You constantly sit on your pedestal throwing wild accusations about to make yourself look better - then when you are, inevitably, proven wrong; you just go into a state of denial.**

Couldn't have put it better myself.
 

CrazyBear...

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Removing bundles AND keeping the delay in would be daft.

In all seriousness, how many people were/are actually using scripts? I'd say it's probably a very small number of people. I can't help but feel this has been blown massively out of proportion due to rumours and people getting confused between an 'auto sun pot script' and the script that meant you could sunny whilst holding shift by deactivating the chat bar that a couple of people admitted to using.

Also, scripts can still be used even with the delay, to the point where the user can sunny at EXACTLY 1 second intervals i suspect, whereas from what I understand a lot of 'normal' players currently try to spam them, realise they can't and end up actually sunny less frequently that the 1 second delay allows.

I think this just about hit the nail on the head. I don't know why people are continuing to bring up auto RT/TT, this is a completely seperate issue and if we had to prioritise issues, Auto RT/TT is less important as it's taking a player out of a fight unlike sun pots which keep a player in a fight unfairly.
 

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Don't then, its 2 minutes to write for someone who can, then you simply copy n paste.

Why is it Team (among a few others) seem determined to make scripts sound like the hardest thing you could possibly do, when they simply aren't. The implication is perhaps unfortunate but unavoidable when certain groups seem overly determined to give AHK/scripting an even bigger advantage than it currently still has.

I'm in Team - please don't tar us all with the same brush :)
 

Silencer

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I was referring to the fact you denied up and down for 2 days that an ahk could be used to auto tt / rt , that it wasn't possible...


**You constantly sit on your pedestal throwing wild accusations about to make yourself look better - then when you are, inevitably, proven wrong; you just go into a state of denial.**

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Show me one occasion where I passed comment or judgement on this particular issue?

I didn't because I'm unsure of it myself, I have no idea if it is possible or not.

Unlike yourself, I don't just start shouting my mouth off when I have no idea about the subject matter.



P.S - It is nice to see you attempting to type in a correct and more rounded manner though, so kudos to you for taking my advice.
 
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kickey

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Show me one occasion where I passed comment or judgement on this particular issue?

I didn't because I'm unsure of it myself, I have no idea if it is possible or not.

Unlike yourself, I don't just start shouting my mouth off when I have no idea about the subject matter.



P.S - It is nice to see you attempting to type in a correct and more rounded manner though, so kudos to you for taking my advice.

Beg's the question ...if you were unsure of it's capability's ...why the fk did you post anything?


Pretty easy to take 15 mins and type AHK into google and get a basic grasp of it... Go educate yourself buddy. Seeing education is so blatantly important to you.

P.S thanks .. I'm glad you noticed :uncomfortableness:
 
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Silencer

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Beg's the question ...if you were unsure of it's capability's ...why the fk did you post anything?


Pretty easy to take 15 mins and type AHK into google and get a basic grasp of it... Go educate yourself buddy. Seeing education is so blatantly important to you.

P.S thanks .. I'm glad you noticed :uncomfortableness:

I know how AHK works, I just didn't know if it would be possible to use for Auto-RT's / Auto-TT's without going through the client, unlike Auto-Pots where you wouldn't need to.

So I was unsure of it's full range of capabilities not the basic theory of how it works.

You on the other hand, had no clue when it was discussed yesterday, and it would appear, have even less idea today.

Go take a nap you must be tired after all this thinking.

Education should be important to us all - if you do not care about learning, bettering yourself or expanding your horizons, then I am afraid you will miss out on the very essence of what it means to be human.

If that is the case, then I honestly and truly feel great sympathy for you.
 

kickey

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I know how AHK works, I just didn't know if it would be possible to use for Auto-RT's / Auto-TT's without going through the client, unlike Auto-Pots where you wouldn't need to.

So I was unsure of it's full range of capabilities not the basic theory of how it works.

You on the other hand, had no clue when it was discussed yesterday, and it would appear, have even less idea today.

Go take a nap you must be tired after all this thinking.

Education should be important to us all - if you do not care about learning, bettering yourself or expanding your horizons, then I am afraid you will miss out on the very essence of what it means to be human.

If that is the case, then I honestly and truly feel great sympathy for you.

Tbh..

i cba doing this **** today... you just ain't worth it.