Wizard Class

[ILovePie:D]

in the top 25 of server... over 9 are wizzards.. every single server you play wizzards always level the fastest iv not seen 1 decent wizz pvp on any server bar xele dont think iv seen her moan about wizzys as she hits 200+ with lighting and the new buff on frost crunsh Evilwoman hits 133+ with it..

This isn't just about who can stay in ghoul room TU ing the longest.

 

[omenking]

in the top 25 of server... over 9 are wizzards.. every single server you play wizzards always level the fastest iv not seen 1 decent wizz pvp on any server bar xele dont think iv seen her moan about wizzys as she hits 200+ with lighting and the new buff on frost crunsh Evilwoman hits 133+ with it..

Yeah because being able to level the fastest really helps us in PVP, how does that warrant us being the most gimped class? What buff to FrostCrunch? Must of missed something if there's been a reboot.

There's a reason why Xele does so much damage with Lightning, because he/she has the best Wizard gear ingame (89 MC buffed was it?).
But thats it, one hard hitting spell that we have to line up to hit someone, not so easy on a moving target.

Have you even read through the whole thread? You'd know that Xele has actually made suggestions to the class so obviously he/she isn't too happy with the class either.

 

[Kalamonde]

iv not seen 1 decent wizz pvp on any server bar xele

Ive seen xele pvp and been in fights against xele, best wiz on the server my arse! :lol


i think if i actually did play chronicles xele would just be the next IIYIIace, claiming to be the best but actualy getting his arse whooped by me :P

and im pretty sure Xele is only still playing wiz because its the class he loves and has always been, not that they have much enjoyment playing one on the server

sombody that actually knows the class needs to be involved in fixing wizzies on here but sam wants them to be nerfed and any change that would help would just sound OP to him!

Quick fix is revert them back to the AceM2 standards, they werent unkillable or overpowered, just some people are a ****ing nightmare to kill! :P

TU still need tweaking so luck dont effect it, what was the point of changing on AceM2 so it cant be used to level if your letting wizzies do it on chronicles?

i could list loads of ways to fix wizzies and make playing them more enjoyable but ive said them a million times to sam on skype and he dont see the problem with wizzies, since he loved taming pets on euro mir! babyshack seems more willing to listen then captain anti-fun (sam) so maybe ill be arsed to bug him about them at some point

/Pandoria

 

[xXxX]

Ive seen xele pvp and been in fights against xele, best wiz on the server my arse! :lol


i think if i actually did play chronicles xele would just be the next IIYIIace, claiming to be the best but actualy getting his arse whooped by me :P

and im pretty sure Xele is only still playing wiz because its the class he loves and has always been, not that they have much enjoyment playing one on the server

sombody that actually knows the class needs to be involved in fixing wizzies on here but sam wants them to be nerfed and any change that would help would just sound OP to him!

Quick fix is revert them back to the AceM2 standards, they werent unkillable or overpowered, just some people are a ****ing nightmare to kill! :P

TU still need tweaking so luck dont effect it, what was the point of changing on AceM2 so it cant be used to level if your letting wizzies do it on chronicles?

i could list loads of ways to fix wizzies and make playing them more enjoyable but ive said them a million times to sam on skype and he dont see the problem with wizzies, since he loved taming pets on euro mir! babyshack seems more willing to listen then captain anti-fun (sam) so maybe ill be arsed to bug him about them at some point

/Pandoria

Keep puffing that Pigeon chest, Xele would wreck you lol.

 

[reecew]

Ive seen xele pvp and been in fights against xele, best wiz on the server my arse! :lol


i think if i actually did play chronicles xele would just be the next IIYIIace, claiming to be the best but actualy getting his arse whooped by me :P

and im pretty sure Xele is only still playing wiz because its the class he loves and has always been, not that they have much enjoyment playing one on the server

sombody that actually knows the class needs to be involved in fixing wizzies on here but sam wants them to be nerfed and any change that would help would just sound OP to him!

Quick fix is revert them back to the AceM2 standards, they werent unkillable or overpowered, just some people are a ****ing nightmare to kill! :P

TU still need tweaking so luck dont effect it, what was the point of changing on AceM2 so it cant be used to level if your letting wizzies do it on chronicles?

i could list loads of ways to fix wizzies and make playing them more enjoyable but ive said them a million times to sam on skype and he dont see the problem with wizzies, since he loved taming pets on euro mir! babyshack seems more willing to listen then captain anti-fun (sam) so maybe ill be arsed to bug him about them at some point

/Pandoria

i don't really like xele but it isn't hard to admit she/he is by far best wizz on server and the only person iv seen who knows how to play them to play them that iv came across myself, tbh i dont even think she use's hp pots i can assure people she/he will have at least 6 sun bundles in bag at all times 99% of wizzs run round with hp pots acting like there good until they drop within 3 secs.

 

[JordanF]

i don't really like xele but it isn't hard to admit she/he is by far best wizz on server and the only person iv seen who knows how to play them to play them that iv came across myself, tbh i dont even think she use's hp pots i can assure people she/he will have at least 6 sun bundles in bag at all times 99% of wizzs run round with hp pots acting like there good until they drop within 3 secs.

its whoever has the best mc and most hp pots/sunnies that usually wins, not much skill involved although ppl like to pretend otherwise

 

[Carribean]

Ive seen xele pvp and been in fights against xele, best wiz on the server my arse! :lol


i think if i actually did play chronicles xele would just be the next IIYIIace, claiming to be the best but actualy getting his arse whooped by me :P

and im pretty sure Xele is only still playing wiz because its the class he loves and has always been, not that they have much enjoyment playing one on the server

sombody that actually knows the class needs to be involved in fixing wizzies on here but sam wants them to be nerfed and any change that would help would just sound OP to him!

Quick fix is revert them back to the AceM2 standards, they werent unkillable or overpowered, just some people are a ****ing nightmare to kill! :P

TU still need tweaking so luck dont effect it, what was the point of changing on AceM2 so it cant be used to level if your letting wizzies do it on chronicles?

i could list loads of ways to fix wizzies and make playing them more enjoyable but ive said them a million times to sam on skype and he dont see the problem with wizzies, since he loved taming pets on euro mir! babyshack seems more willing to listen then captain anti-fun (sam) so maybe ill be arsed to bug him about them at some point

/Pandoria

IIVIIace was easily better than you hahahaha

 

[superscampi]

Ive seen xele pvp and been in fights against xele, best wiz on the server my arse! :lol


i think if i actually did play chronicles xele would just be the next IIYIIace, claiming to be the best but actualy getting his arse whooped by me :P

and im pretty sure Xele is only still playing wiz because its the class he loves and has always been, not that they have much enjoyment playing one on the server

sombody that actually knows the class needs to be involved in fixing wizzies on here but sam wants them to be nerfed and any change that would help would just sound OP to him!

Quick fix is revert them back to the AceM2 standards, they werent unkillable or overpowered, just some people are a ****ing nightmare to kill! :P

TU still need tweaking so luck dont effect it, what was the point of changing on AceM2 so it cant be used to level if your letting wizzies do it on chronicles?

i could list loads of ways to fix wizzies and make playing them more enjoyable but ive said them a million times to sam on skype and he dont see the problem with wizzies, since he loved taming pets on euro mir! babyshack seems more willing to listen then captain anti-fun (sam) so maybe ill be arsed to bug him about them at some point

/Pandoria

Made me lol

 

[omenking]

I know this is Sam's server but does he actually play it? Probably not with the amount of stuff going on behind the scenes, he shouldn't really have the attitude of its my way or nothing as that's not going to lure people in if there's not even a slight chance of change/improvements.
If he wants people to carry on playing then he needs to cater to what people want/need, I know we can't have everything but something's got to give, there needs to be some sort of compromise as its us players playing the game.

Theres been complaints about Wizards from day 1, that says a lot about the class, I know some changes have been made to cater to the Wizard class but it's not enough, sorry if that sounds greedy but I think I speak for every Wizard that we need more.

If Sam wants Wizards to play around pets then make it less of a hassle to tame them in the first place and make it so they stick around for 5 minutes after a relog/disconnect (can't believe this hasn't been done yet).
After 45 mins trying to tame RedSpiderFrogs I only managed to tame one, I simply gave up after that as its just not worth the time plus how annoying Fox Caves actually is!

 

[jez]

Keep puffing that Pigeon chest, Xele would wreck you lol.

xele is a good wiz, but pan is a step up.

if they ever fix the forgotten class or mir, we may get to witness it one day.

 

[Kalamonde]

xeles bum boys will say hes good, like mine will say im good ^^ either way theres no such thing as a good wizz on this server! why be the top dog on the worst class? :'(


ill never play a wiz again on this server but id alteast like to see them get fixed! or shown some love like other classes, archers spent one day crying over the static shot nerf and got it changed back. wizzies have spent 3-4 months crying about the class needing a fix and gotten nothing! and the pet time potion in the game shop? you want people to buy somthing like that for the worst class? you ****ing morons :@:


either let sombody with some know how get involved in changing wizzies or remove the class, cause clearly nobody on the team that does tweaking has a ****ing clue what to do on a wiz, i dont include babyshack in that either... ill wait to see any changes he does before i nerd rage at him! :P

this thread prob wont do anything... how many changes have wizz players suggested or asked for that have been listened to or changed? longer pet duration..... then you give them pot shop potion.... why wasnt the deva pet commands made into a pot shop thing?

im negative i know but when has there been a change to be positive about for wizzies?


/Pandoria

 

[Rollcage]

Its how wizzies have been coded, think the reason he hasnt done anything is that it would require a rewrite of all mc related things (alot of work im assuming)

 

[superscampi]

xeles bum boys will say hes good, like mine will say im good ^^ either way theres no such thing as a good wizz on this server! why be the top dog on the worst class? :'(


ill never play a wiz again on this server but id alteast like to see them get fixed! or shown some love like other classes, archers spent one day crying over the static shot nerf and got it changed back. wizzies have spent 3-4 months crying about the class needing a fix and gotten nothing! and the pet time potion in the game shop? you want people to buy somthing like that for the worst class? you ****ing morons :@:


either let sombody with some know how get involved in changing wizzies or remove the class, cause clearly nobody on the team that does tweaking has a ****ing clue what to do on a wiz, i dont include babyshack in that either... ill wait to see any changes he does before i nerd rage at him! :P

this thread prob wont do anything... how many changes have wizz players suggested or asked for that have been listened to or changed? longer pet duration..... then you give them pot shop potion.... why wasnt the deva pet commands made into a pot shop thing?

im negative i know but when has there been a change to be positive about for wizzies?


/Pandoria

Who are you? From other servers?

I played most the big ones, don't recognise your name. Could mean your some big fish in a little pool of trash players.

 

[Kalamonde]

Who are you? From other servers?

I played most the big ones, don't recognise your name. Could mean your some big fish in a little pool of trash players.

what pool would that be? o.O

i only ever heard of you once and that you was some big pker and a good fighter, though on four heroes when i played it you never lived upto anything i heard :lol

my name changes alot..... though on sams servers im Pan :zz

rarely see you on chronicles either(not that i LOVE! the server enough to play alot) o.O


/Pandoria

 

[ILovePie:D]

what pool would that be? o.O

i only ever heard of you once and that you was some big pker and a good fighter, though on four heroes when i played it you never lived upto anything i heard :lol

my name changes alot..... though on sams servers im Pan :zz

rarely see you on chronicles either(not that i LOVE! the server enough to play alot) o.O


/Pandoria

Never heard of a wizard called Pan.

 

[Carribean]

Never heard of a wizard called Pan.

he means pandorina

 

[Samuel]

Could you let us know what your current view is on the wizard class?

If you feel they are fine as they are, or if they need improving?

My view on the wizard class.

SkillsFrost Crunch needs a serious buff - this has always been the best PVP skill to use (bar landing a lightning hit on a moving target). It always had good damage to it, and also the chance to slow. At the moment, this does minimal damage. We seem to be like an accessory to kill people, ie we are only there to 'slow' the target. Any damage we do, can be outpotted straight away, due to the good HP pots.

FrostCrunch has always been the weaker of Wizard spells as it has a chance to slow (otherwise wizards would never use tbolt/fd?)... Similar to hear, it is one of Wizards weaker spells (although BH has buffed it recently) and its slow proc rate is effected by +Slow.

Lightning is OK, this doesn't need changing, we can manage to get 1 good hit, of around 100-120 with around MC45? The chances of landing 2 consecutive hits on someone who is not afk, isn't easy, and like said above, can be outpotted by the time we land a 2nd hit.

I agree it is a hard spell to land in PvP, but it has no cool down and can do a considerable amount of damage.

Mirroring, i've yet to learn this yet, however from peoples reports back, it seems to work like it did on euro (except having a FD effect on living targets). This never used to serve decent damage, it was more of a help to flinch a target. Slight help for bosses too. I saw you say that you were introducing a command for it like you did with deva ... IF you plan to keep deva this way, OK i'll say it's a good thing ... however the deva commands to be able to lock onto masters target is seriously overpowered, and think it's a bad thing to have.

The ability to have more control over your pets is something that people have wanted for years, this is very much the start of this... Although with the masters target aspect, I do feel wizards need to be able to TU.

Leveling

As much as everyone likes to say wizards are the best at leveling, we are seriously handicapped on here. We have basically 2 places to level fast.

They are still able to kill 6x/7x faster than other classes, the ranking board/stats show that wizzards reach higher levels in less time also.

PT 3rd - TStorming - the exp here isn't the best, however the respawns are good, and over time you can make some good exp.
BDD Ghoul Room - Due to the insane archer spawns, this is the fastest place to level, with Turn Undead.

Pets to me, are not a viable option, due to the time taking to tame them, and how often they untame, die from running into random lures (no control over them).

I think pets could do with a time increase (we have a work item to cover this change), I also think a decent pet store option would be good (ie you can store your pets at the end of a hunt and pull them back out on your next hunt, meaning you don't waste their tame time when running around shops/taking time out for irl stuff).

BDD and ZT 7th used to be great for guild hunting, couple wizards to TS lures, others to lure mobs etc. However, due to the mobs large HP pool compared to any other server i've played, this is not cost effective. The MP used to TS a lure of these down is too much. Why do they have such high HP? You never see anyone leveling in there, clearing the mazes or the large rooms.

They did officially, there was a patch (1.9?) that saw an increase in their exp and stats... Sure we could lower their HP, but I wouldn't expect to keep their exp the same.

Mobs AI
This was always **** at the start of the server, you couldn't Firewall over walls, ie in ST B7. I'm happy that most mobs now react how they used to. Can you look into the AI of some of the bosses? KS for example, this was always camped by wiz, especially in the KR. You cannot kill this now on a wizard, due to it walking around the corner. Unless you stand infont of it, it's a waste of time. This goes for a lot of the old bosses, they could always be killed in a small group, DD for example, you could make a small wall. I know you wanted to see more 'guild' hunting, but this only seems to effect the wizards, as you can kill OK, DD etc with a warrior/sin and a taoist.

I will have a chat with BH on this... Archers are designed to do more damage on direct (straight hits) but their over the wall hits should be similar to a wizards... This may breath some life into their classes, I wouldn't expect big bosses to not be smart enough to walk around walls though.

HP
I've always liked the fact wizards have low HP, this has always been there weakness, but have always been able to cast good damage. Why buff the archers HP, when they were set up to be similar to a wiz (ie ranged class and shouldn't get hit but good damage) Should wiz get a HP boost also? I disagree. But think ranged class should also be kept lower HP.

We buffed Archers HP as they don't have a shield that provides them with a massive amount of AC, they were being 1 hitted by most bosses/other classes and needed the extra HP (and it is a very small increase) to allow them a chance to regain.

Archers are designed to do a higher single point of attack damage than wizards, and Wizards are designed to do a higher field of damage than archers... I think this much we can say is true.

Didn't realise I had typed this much, so apologise for the wall of text. I'm sure all wizards feel they are very underpowered on here, and it is not as much fun to play.

Hopefully this thread will stop Zeus from killing himself.

I haven't read the entire thread (apologies), but just a quick response (in red) to some of the above ideas/suggestions.

Sam

 

[ILovePie:D]

Frostcrunch was always the skill to use in PVP, because it DID good damage. FD should be a powerful skill, but in any server i've played, it's been pants. I never even used this on Euro. T bolt is used for 'undead' so this is still very much used.

Lightning, you could have no cool down, or a 10 second one, you'll still never land 2 hits on someone.

The fact the wizards can be high on the rankings is because those players can devote many hours into leveling (well ... basically TUing in ghoul room, which is mind numbingly boring). The top rank, is a warrior though. That doesnt mean he is over powered because he's lvling on ahead, it means he has the time to spend on mir leveling. Like when Aldor was running ahead...

Wiz can't kill 6-7 times quicker than people, unless we're able to TS hunt (lets not forget this helps a whole guild to level, not just a wiz) and at the moment, with the MP cast, and high HP on mobs, White boars don't stun, and **** loads of archers - this isn't justifyable.

Pets time doesn't need increased. If you plan to do this, can you also have a plan to be able to untame after 2 hours?

If the EXP went down in sacrifice of their HP, i'm sure people wouldnt mind this. In the long term, it would be quicker leveling.

The boss AI ... why should a warrior / sin and tao combo be able to kill a lot of the main bosses as a 2 man group? Collossus, OK, DD etc - when a wizard kills these with a tao, you need to set up archer/ moth walls, and plan the kill. It takes a lot longer to kill also. Again, it's something we're gimped on ... like I mentioned originally, even KS you have to stand next to it .. with minimal HP.

Wizards have shield yes, which lasts approx 3 hits, if you're fighting, sometimes you won't get chance to re-cast as you'll be spanked.

 

[Samuel]

Frostcrunch was always the skill to use in PVP, because it DID good damage. FD should be a powerful skill, but in any server i've played, it's been pants. I never even used this on Euro. T bolt is used for 'undead' so this is still very much used.

It was used to Freeze and then switched to a more powerful skill...

Lightning, you could have no cool down, or a 10 second one, you'll still never land 2 hits on someone.

Agreed, Lightning is fine as it is.

The fact the wizards can be high on the rankings is because those players can devote many hours into leveling (well ... basically TUing in ghoul room, which is mind numbingly boring). The top rank, is a warrior though. That doesnt mean he is over powered because he's lvling on ahead, it means he has the time to spend on mir leveling. Like when Aldor was running ahead...

Wiz can't kill 6-7 times quicker than people, unless we're able to TS hunt (lets not forget this helps a whole guild to level, not just a wiz) and at the moment, with the MP cast, and high HP on mobs, White boars don't stun, and **** loads of archers - this isn't justifyable.

A warrior kills 1by1, an assassin kills 1by1, a taoist kills 1by1.5? (if you include pets), an archer kills 1by1 until static and then 1by4... A wizard can kill 1by24 if giving the right place to hunt... Granted maybe the issue is there arn't as many places for 2 wizards to hunt... WhiteBoars in BDD shouldn't stun, this is a bug (work item raised), white boars in ST7th should.

Pets time doesn't need increased. If you plan to do this, can you also have a plan to be able to untame after 2 hours?

No, you could just kill them, stop trying to be awkward.

If the EXP went down in sacrifice of their HP, i'm sure people wouldnt mind this. In the long term, it would be quicker leveling.

I will have a chat with BH, this would directly effect other classes as well.

The boss AI ... why should a warrior / sin and tao combo be able to kill a lot of the main bosses as a 2 man group? Collossus, OK, DD etc - when a wizard kills these with a tao, you need to set up archer/ moth walls, and plan the kill. It takes a lot longer to kill also. Again, it's something we're gimped on ... like I mentioned originally, even KS you have to stand next to it .. with minimal HP.

Same could be said for Wizards... In actual fact (from what I have seen) it takes more than 2 man group to kill the above bosses, maybe not much more... Where traditionally a wizard and a taoist would run to a KR and actually 2 man the bosses.

Wizards have shield yes, which lasts approx 3 hits, if you're fighting, sometimes you won't get chance to re-cast as you'll be spanked.

Responses in red... These are just opinions btw, please don't take offense to them.

Sam

 

[ILovePie:D]

Responses in red... These are just opinions btw, please don't take offense to them.

Sam

Appreciate the replies, I don't take offense to anything

FC used to be used to kill Omaking and the likes. It was a PVP main skill too, not only for slowing, it also did decent damage. Many people can vouch for this.

A wizard can only TS 24, if it's worthwhile doing. Theres no point in TSing BDD rooms, if it takes you 100MP to kill a lure each. You might as well just TU single mobs for better EXP/MP usage. It's like asking a warrior to XHM the whole of Hogs room, or a tao to poison kill all of the mobs in there... it's just not worthwhile doing.

Lowering the HP would benefit all classes, though I do think it shouldn't sacrifce the EXP .. as it never used to be like this.

I'll happily show you how to 2 man the bosses if you like, as a sin/warr and tao. Collossus you could kill with archer and tao combo in a 2 man too. Not sure if your extended range stops this now, as i've not been ingame since Sunday.